A - No. Get out of the dwelling as fast as you can. B - Yes and No - depending on circumstance. If it's a sniper on a building top, Yes - whereas if it's a shooter in a building - No, get out of that building ASAP. C - No. Once again, get out of there and get as far away from the dwelling as possible - find cover over something to shield you from any fallout.
Thornton, My example is based on recent history with active shooters. I cannot recall someone being on the roof, with the exception of what happened in I believe Texas many years ago. Also, I am talking about children in public schools. I guess I should have detailed that. Nevertheless, protocol is to shelter in place with an active shooter in the school.
The ultimate point, (not to take anything away from your points) is that during a bomb threat, 99.9% of the parents would say get the kinds out of that building.
Fire and bomb threat should be handled the same way....a neat and orderly evacuation and an accounting of all students and faculty. This is a no brainer yet seems to have eluded school administrators during recent events here in Wicomico County. Schools, law enforcement, Emergency Management, and local politicians should be coming together to conduct threat assessments and develop a protocol for each threat. While the idea may strike many as common sense, the necessary steps to open dialogue on this issue doesn't seem to have taken place.
What seems to be the problem? Why hasn't this been done? I have consulted with both school and local governments in the past as they put together such protocols and the bottleneck always seems to be the same thing. Money. I was told once by a Town Manager that their town would not put a price on the lives of it's employees when it came to offering adequate protection and putting safeguards and policies in place to protect them. Due to past experiences I knew better. In less than a day I was hearing things such as "Wow it would cost a lot of money to change that" which ultimately, and without exception leads to "Do we really need to do these things? What is the likelihood that this would ever happen here?". My response has always been "You asked me to assess and suggest. Whether or not you take the suggestions is your decision". Money has always been and will continue to be the deciding factor when it comes to the safety of our children. Employees will not show up for mandatory training without being paid. The glass company will not install impact resistant glass without being paid. Alarm systems on rooms containing chlorine tanks in water treatment facilities will not be installed without paying the alarm company to install and monitor.
These things cost money. Money which is controlled by elected officials as they approve budgets submitted by agency heads. You can't blame a Sheriff or Police Chief if they present a budget for a bomb dog or additional training in these areas and these budget requests are cut. At the same time you can't blame your council if the requests aren't made. You can be sure that every request will be met with the same question - "What are the chances that it will happen here?" and my favorite comment "The chances of that happening here are almost zero". This is almost identical to the comment made by the chief of police in Sandyhook one week before the horrific event which took place on December 14, 2012. It's a gamble that weighs the likelihood of a mass casualty incident happening in your area against the safety and security of your community.
The first step in creating a protocol for responses to critical incidents is to put together an action team comprised of members of law enforcement (any that would be responding in your area), fire departments/EMS, schools - including colleges in your area, someone from FEMA or someone certified by FEMA/MEMA, Someone from local hospitals representing the emergency departments and security, and any other entity that may have something to offer.
I would submit that it is the responsibility of every citizen to impress upon their local elected official the importance of the safety of the community and schools and that it is not acceptable to gamble with the lives of our children. This national election has become almost entirely about our security here at home and it is no less important on a local level. It is also the responsibility of each citizen to become aware of the dangers that exist in our world today and I believe that is happening more and more everyday.Your safety and your security is your responsibility. That's probably why there were so many positive responses to the article on this blog about the Maryland CRT.
3 NOs - I was quite startled when I read a mother's post on FB yesterday - she was glad the students were evacuated to the adjoining school "where they would be safe" - REALLY? All the students from both schools in one place????????????
I agree that a decision to hunker in place or evacuate needs to be settled. But, IMO, first the county needs to have a plan of action for each case. If there are extenuating circumstances a yes or no answer may not work.
Put yourself and your children in your home. There is a fire. You immediately evacuate.
Or there is an active shooter in your home ? Outside your home shooting in? Both outside and in? (there was a case on last night's news of a bus in Nashville, being shot up with 22 students on board. Would you advise your child to hunker down or run. If the driver is shot what should your child do?
OR with a bomb threat - would you evacuate? But what if the bomb threat is a hoax, to get you and your child outside?
There is no cut and dry correct answer to your poll. In most circumstances I would say "run" but it is a lot easier to control just your own children in any of these circumstances - than a school full students. Those teachers, school officials, police are trying the best they can to keep your child safe. A plan drawn to be enforced may well not work all the time. For every action in your home plan, what do you do if you cannot take that action while trying to keep your child safe ? For every action in the school's plan, who makes the decision for needed change, keeping personnel who are in charge of all the children safe? No easy task, no easy answer.
This is very interesting. What this proves is that not everyone is aware of what is right or wrong. Even when we allegedly have authorities in place, they do not jive with other districts and that is unorganized.
I would think that each law enforcement agency would have a standard protocol.
Now that this has been presented, do you believe there should be a state wide and or even a national protocol followed in these emergency situations?
I just spoke to one of our legislators in Annapolis who researched "protocol" and in Maryland it is determined and set by each County. Now they will introduce a bill referencing emergency protocol and see if the will is there to make it a state wide issue.
According to the new training that administrators received recently from the MSP tactical unit, it may be better to not shelter in place during an active shooter. If you have the option of fleeing out a door or window, they recommend it. I know this bc I was in the training.
Just an FYI. Please make it clear that every school has a Cris Plan that is approved by the BOE and the Sheriff's Dept. They are consistent in language but if the Safe Schools Dept tells administrators to do different, how are we to know what to do?
So the shooter breaks in a door and kills a class iof kids hiding in the corner at one time. Sounds to me if there is an emergency window in the room, everyone should escape.
If you have no idea where the shooter is....and you won't if you are in the school...you stay in place. Schools only announce a color code on the intercom. Teachers know what that code means but not the details. I know...I've been teaching during code calls.
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can you re-word the question? I'm not trying to be difficult, I honestly am not sure what you are asking?
B. Active shooter
EXAMPLE, Your answers should be,
A. Yes or No
B. Yes or No
C. Yes or No.
This is a real eye opener, when you think about what the BOE and WCSO decided for your children.
The answer choices should be yes or no only as opposed to it depends?
A. no
B. yes
C. no
A - No. Get out of the dwelling as fast as you can.
B - Yes and No - depending on circumstance. If it's a sniper on a building top, Yes - whereas if it's a shooter in a building - No, get out of that building ASAP.
C - No. Once again, get out of there and get as far away from the dwelling as possible - find cover over something to shield you from any fallout.
no no no
no, no, no.... Common sense!
No, Yes, No.
A no
B yes
C. no
A. NO
B. NO
C. NO
Thornton, My example is based on recent history with active shooters. I cannot recall someone being on the roof, with the exception of what happened in I believe Texas many years ago. Also, I am talking about children in public schools. I guess I should have detailed that. Nevertheless, protocol is to shelter in place with an active shooter in the school.
The ultimate point, (not to take anything away from your points) is that during a bomb threat, 99.9% of the parents would say get the kinds out of that building.
1=NO
2=YES
3=NO
A no
B yes but i think there should be a way out like a ooen class window dont be a SITTING DUCK.
C no
No to all
Why wait to be killed in a school, get out.
1
No
2
No
3
No
it might be protocol but get out if given the chance. TSA tells their workers to run and hide.
1- NO - get out now
2- NO - arm yourself
3- NO - get out now
A. No
B.Yes
C. No
All 3 YES
A no
B no but kids told to hide to wait for what.
C no
A. No
B. Only if you are armed
C. No
Active shooter is the only one on the list you shelter in place.
Bomb threat and Fire you evacuate
A. No
B. If it is safer to get out,then get out... If you have to run past the gunman no.
C. No
Arm a principle and vice principle.
a: NO
b: YES
c: YES when it's a phone call, NO when it's an observed device.
no
yes
no
DUH!
No
No
No
B - Active shooter.
Fire and bomb threat should be handled the same way....a neat and orderly evacuation and an accounting of all students and faculty. This is a no brainer yet seems to have eluded school administrators during recent events here in Wicomico County. Schools, law enforcement, Emergency Management, and local politicians should be coming together to conduct threat assessments and develop a protocol for each threat. While the idea may strike many as common sense, the necessary steps to open dialogue on this issue doesn't seem to have taken place.
What seems to be the problem? Why hasn't this been done? I have consulted with both school and local governments in the past as they put together such protocols and the bottleneck always seems to be the same thing. Money. I was told once by a Town Manager that their town would not put a price on the lives of it's employees when it came to offering adequate protection and putting safeguards and policies in place to protect them. Due to past experiences I knew better. In less than a day I was hearing things such as "Wow it would cost a lot of money to change that" which ultimately, and without exception leads to "Do we really need to do these things? What is the likelihood that this would ever happen here?". My response has always been "You asked me to assess and suggest. Whether or not you take the suggestions is your decision". Money has always been and will continue to be the deciding factor when it comes to the safety of our children. Employees will not show up for mandatory training without being paid. The glass company will not install impact resistant glass without being paid. Alarm systems on rooms containing chlorine tanks in water treatment facilities will not be installed without paying the alarm company to install and monitor.
These things cost money. Money which is controlled by elected officials as they approve budgets submitted by agency heads. You can't blame a Sheriff or Police Chief if they present a budget for a bomb dog or additional training in these areas and these budget requests are cut. At the same time you can't blame your council if the requests aren't made. You can be sure that every request will be met with the same question - "What are the chances that it will happen here?" and my favorite comment "The chances of that happening here are almost zero". This is almost identical to the comment made by the chief of police in Sandyhook one week before the horrific event which took place on December 14, 2012. It's a gamble that weighs the likelihood of a mass casualty incident happening in your area against the safety and security of your community.
The first step in creating a protocol for responses to critical incidents is to put together an action team comprised of members of law enforcement (any that would be responding in your area), fire departments/EMS, schools - including colleges in your area, someone from FEMA or someone certified by FEMA/MEMA, Someone from local hospitals representing the emergency departments and security, and any other entity that may have something to offer.
I would submit that it is the responsibility of every citizen to impress upon their local elected official the importance of the safety of the community and schools and that it is not acceptable to gamble with the lives of our children. This national election has become almost entirely about our security here at home and it is no less important on a local level. It is also the responsibility of each citizen to become aware of the dangers that exist in our world today and I believe that is happening more and more everyday.Your safety and your security is your responsibility. That's probably why there were so many positive responses to the article on this blog about the Maryland CRT.
Joe, in light of recent events then the answer is most definitely NO. If you hear gunshots anywhere, get out of that area as fast as possible. Period.
3 NOs - I was quite startled when I read a mother's post on FB yesterday - she was glad the students were evacuated to the adjoining school "where they would be safe" - REALLY? All the students from both schools in one place????????????
Agreed. Sheltered in place?
I agree that a decision to hunker in place or evacuate needs to be settled. But, IMO, first the county needs to have a plan of action for each case. If there are extenuating circumstances a yes or no answer may not work.
Put yourself and your children in your home. There is a fire. You immediately evacuate.
Or there is an active shooter in your home ? Outside your home shooting in? Both outside and in?
(there was a case on last night's news of a bus in Nashville, being shot up with 22 students on board. Would you advise your child to hunker down or run. If the driver is shot what should your child do?
OR with a bomb threat - would you evacuate? But what if the bomb threat is a hoax, to get you and your child outside?
There is no cut and dry correct answer to your poll. In most circumstances I would say "run" but it is a lot easier to control just your own children in any of these circumstances - than a school full students. Those teachers, school officials, police are trying the best they can to keep your child safe. A plan drawn to be enforced may well not work all the time. For every action in your home plan, what do you do if you cannot take that action while trying to keep your child safe ? For every action in the school's plan, who makes the decision for needed change, keeping personnel who are in charge of all the children safe? No easy task, no easy answer.
No
Yes
No
This is very interesting. What this proves is that not everyone is aware of what is right or wrong. Even when we allegedly have authorities in place, they do not jive with other districts and that is unorganized.
I would think that each law enforcement agency would have a standard protocol.
Now that this has been presented, do you believe there should be a state wide and or even a national protocol followed in these emergency situations?
I just spoke to one of our legislators in Annapolis who researched "protocol" and in Maryland it is determined and set by each County. Now they will introduce a bill referencing emergency protocol and see if the will is there to make it a state wide issue.
No yes no , with exceptions on the shooter
A - no
B - no if you're in an area that's not secure, yes if you're secure
C - no
A. No, unless you are a democrat.
B. No, unless you are secure or engaging the enemy.
C. No, unless you are a democrat.
No Yes No
Fire: evacuate
Active Shooter: shelter in place (stay where you are, move away from windows, lock doors, stay quiet)
Bomb Threat: evacuate
According to the new training that administrators received recently from the MSP tactical unit, it may be better to not shelter in place during an active shooter. If you have the option of fleeing out a door or window, they recommend it. I know this bc I was in the training.
Just an FYI. Please make it clear that every school has a Cris Plan that is approved by the BOE and the Sheriff's Dept. They are consistent in language but if the Safe Schools Dept tells administrators to do different, how are we to know what to do?
So the shooter breaks in a door and kills a class iof kids hiding in the corner at one time. Sounds to me if there is an emergency window in the room, everyone should escape.
If you have no idea where the shooter is....and you won't if you are in the school...you stay in place. Schools only announce a color code on the intercom. Teachers know what that code means but not the details. I know...I've been teaching during code calls.
A. No ; B. Yes ; C. No
No
Yes
No
where are all the online heros? they should be saying they would charge the shooter and save everyone.
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