What would you say to your Son or Daughter if they came home and said
they wanted to be the first in MD to be married to their gay partner?
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67 comments:
I would say be careful of all those who hate him just because of his orientation. Then I would help him plan.
True story - my son is gay, been with his partner for 3 years, and plans to marry in a year or two.
If you love your child, you love him no matter what.
so long as i liked their choice for a spouse i'd say go for it!
very well said Balanced Libra :)
I agree!!! with 11:27
i would shake my head, would probably have to disown them.
I would say "good bye & don't come back".
I would say, I love you, and I am so proud that they grew up to be a better human being that 11:47 & 11:50.
i think it's ok for gay marriage between 2 girls or ladys. not ok for men because they can't carry on the pregnancy for 9 months. but its every mans dream to get hooked up with 2 women.if you don't believe us men just ask. how about a survey on Mr. Albero's blog and let see what kind of results come in. Burley Q
I would say: You are an abomination and a disgrace. Your behavior is sinful and is a direct affront to the Lord our God and his word. Leave and never come back.
Most people TALK big. . ."yeah, I would kick my son/daughter out of my house. . .disown them!" I have a feeling things would be different if it were YOUR child. A child you raised from a baby. I just don't think most of your hearts are that hard. Its easy to talk big on the internet. Even though we have our differences of opinion on here. . .I would like to think better of you folks. I'll put it down to "keeping up conservative appearances." If this ever actually happens to any of you. . .probably will be a different story. You may surprise yourselves.
WTF is wrong with people today? How is one's sexual orientation affecting you personally? If thats who they love and want to marry, than so be it. Love has no gender. Grow up and quit putting others down, you are not perfect in someone's eyes either.
Since when can we pick and choose which parts of the Bible we should follow. If you are a christian, the whole Bible applies, not just the parts that suit you.
I would help him through his illness.
The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its diagnostic list of mental disorders in 1973, despite substantial protest (see Socarides, 1995). The A.P.A. was strongly motivated by the desire to reduce the effects of social oppression. However, one effect of the A.P.A.'s action was to add psychiatric authority to gay activists' insistence that homosexuals as a group are as healthy as heterosexuals. This has discouraged the proven publication of research that suggests there may, in fact, be psychiatric problems associated with homosexuality.
Hey anon 12:29 that's so christian of you to be full of hate, especially to one of your children, and banish a loved one. I'm sure jesus would have said exactly what you would. You may need to seek some kind of counseling.
Congratulations.
For those who would disown their gay child: Apparently, you don't understand that being gay--or being straight--is not a choice. It is now thought to be largely genetic, so you would be disowning someone who inherited your--or your spouse's--genes! 11:27 said it best; you love your child no matter what. He/she did not choose to be sexually attracted to someone of the same sex. One may be disappointed that this is the way things turned out, but ashamed? Never!
I would love my child while at the same time not love his sin
I would never sever the relationship- hate the sin but love the sinner
and, I'd pray pray pray
I'd tell them it was a sin and love anyway. It's their burden.
Lest we forget, heterosexuals are far and away the family wreckers of this country.
Would you rather have your offspring shacking up with the opposite sex?
That is a choice widely practiced.
1:27- Don't worry about 1:15. He's like a broken record whenever Joe puts anything about being gay on the blog. He ALWAYS brings up the mental illness thing. He's likely to be a Baptist in his 70's, so that's how they roll- judgmental haters who think they're holier than thou. Just remember, when you point the finger at someone, you have three pointing back at you.
"Welcome to our home"
Any parent cutting all ties was not much of a parent to begin with. You raise your children to be the best they can be but I could never kick my children out of my life, just because their life style was different than mine.
I just want happiness for my kids so I can welcome their spouses, significant others and partners into our family. My place is to love them - not judge them.
Joe what is with all the articles and questionaires on gay marriages? Is there a problem with one of your family members?
Sorry but it just nauseates me!!
I would tell my son , you have several choices left in this life:
1. arsenic
2. 45 caliber
3. 9 MM
4. 40 caliber
5. 308
6. 30/06
7. 30/30
8. many others will do the job
anonymous 4:07, unless you have your head buried in the sand, maybe you haven't noticed what's going on in New York and what Governor O'Maley is proposing with gay marriage in Maryland.
Our country is changing, (once again) and quite frankly our posts and information has been FAR ahead of the local MSM on this matter.
Funny how you haven't noticed that either. That "change" Obama/Democrats promissed is bigger than we ever dreamed.
I am personally against gay mariage. You'd understand if you were raised Catholic.
We could get into a million and one debates about it but in the end, (call me old school) I have nothing against gay people. I simply do not believe in this marriage crap and quite frankly, (20 or 30 years from now) gay couples will be kicking themselves in the butts for thinking this was the right thing to do.
No different than womens liberation. More people in the work force, more taxes, more business for LAWYERS who run the country, the list goes on and on. "CHANGE"
The smart ones will stay single.
I would say "son welcome to my home" , tell your friend we love him to.
Now it's time to go hunting , get you gear and follow me.
But dad " it's not hunting season"
Oh yes it is "you have changed the seasons."
I can't believe the hate on here.
i agree with mr albero again !!!he is close to the same age as me and sees things alot of times close to as i do. hats off to him again and mr harrison for keeping us in touch. i am totally againest gays and obama.
long live the gipper RIP MR REAGAN i know its hard knowing what going on in this country now.
4:33, you must not be a native. There is so much ignorance here on the lower Eastern Shore. (I've been here over 60 years, but I still shake my head at what I hear and read).Maybe this blog attracts those who are so full of hate because they can express themselves with anonymity. I think the main reason is that the people in general tend to be so parochial; they have insolated themselves from the changes that are occurring all around them. Let's hope that, when push came to shove, no one would disown his child for being who he is. All the bluster that they can show here anonymously would immediately fade when they were confronted with reality.
"Enjoy your life in NY!"
5:04 Maybe they're just against forced perversion.
i would disown them and tell them they are going to spend the rest of eternity in the charred walls of the damned.
anonymous 5:04, I'm not full of hate. I simply disagree and I gave my reasons as to why. Now, perhaps your talking about someone else.
5:04 How do you explain the state of California (liberal) voting AGAINST gay marriage with Prop 8. Have they isolated themselves from the changes going on around them too? Are they as ignorant as the people of the Eastern Shore?
Let the voters decide!
I love you honey and I hope you have found the love that will last you a lifetime. God will deal with those who believe they have the right to judge you.
9:17, California is liberal in many ways, but there is a very large minority population there. Afro-Americans and Hispanics, as groups, are very much against gay marriage, even though they may be liberal on many other issues. I sense a little self-defense in your statement. I was careful not to imply that the people of the Shore were all ignorant; rather, I said "in general." I should have clarified that I was referring to those "been here's." Thank goodness for the "come here's," who are bringing diversity to what some call the "slow" Eastern Shore.
Do you think it's normal that such a large number of people responding to this post are so filled with animosity against gays that they would disown their own children for the "sin" of having been born gay and wanting a relationship like eveyone else? Instead of hiding in the closet and being miserable their whole lives, they just want to have a little happiness too. Isn't that ok? How would that negatively affect you anyway?
Glad thier life insurance is paid up... "KNOW WHAT I MEAN VERN?"
10:29
I guess you could call me a "come here" I was born on the Western shore but have lived here for over 20 years. I do NOT believe in gay marriage. A marriage if from God as it says in the bible. If they want all the benefits or what ever as a legally married couple I have no problem with that but it should NOT be called a marriage. People are so filled with animosity because we are tired of the gays trying to push their perverted lifestyle down our throats. Why is ok for them to be gay but not ok for us not to agree with it?
Sorry Joe, I have to disagree with you on this. I was raised Catholic, It was beat in my brain for 12 years in school, until, UNTIL I came to the realization that all that I was, was so wrong. The Catholic religion as well as the Christian religion has So many abominations we can't even count. As it was already said, you can point one finger, and 3 pointed back at you. Who are we to judge?
I myself think that these post just bring up the same thing. It will never change! Same hate, Same words, except for the new ones using weapons as a choice, over and over and over!! No matter how you bring it up, Joe you get the same thing. Is this what you want? Fine. Yes we understand you do approve of Gay marriage, but you got to remember. The country is changing, not just Obama changing it, There are a lot of "Good Ole Boy's" or "Bunkies", and we are just a tiny portion of this country. I have a daughter that is Gay, and another that is Bi, and they are Great people!! Not my flavor, but they are my children and I love them more then life. If and when I give my child a choice of a 9mm or do as I say, What kind of Catholic am I. Oh thats right. The Mafia was allowed to kill in the name of the Lord. We need tolerance and thats what this is about. Like I said before. It has Legal issues that are important, and other issues to many to write. Oh we have some GREAT Christains here on the Lower shore. None of you have the Balls to put you names on here because you are COWARDS!! Lets see who we really are? Especially with the Gun comment. You know, IP's can be traced.
Now Back To The BUNKIE Show!
Lynn you sound like you are making threats. People can speak their minds this is still America. People like you judge people who disagree with you the same way you accuse them. Hypocrite.
Anon 0553 -
First of all, Lynn signed her name unlike some cowards on here. Second, where was the threat? Therefore, where is the hypocrisy?
I've got to tell you, some of these comments really scare me. Are y'all for real or just trying to stir up a bunch of nonsense.
Whatever happened to hate the sin but love the sinner?
I may be opposed to gay marriage, but some of you tempt me to re-think my position. At least I know why I'm opposed to it other than "Gay folks are pervs and are all going to burn in hell." Y'know, they might; but I've got a sneaking suspicion that some of y'all will be keeping them company.
Sorry Joe, I ment "you do not" Bad Grammar, I should have kept my temper down. And thank you G.A I respect your opinion.
A.L.P
Marriage is a divine institution and covenant (agreement) given by God to humanity in the beginning at the time of the creation of man and woman (Gen 1:27-28,31; 2:18,20-25).
So the idea of a marriage between gays is nothing more then a pagan ritual.
"You know, IP's can be traced." Seems like a threat to me G.A. I know how pro gay you are but at least be fair.
WOW! Fro God fearing Christian folks, there's certainly a lot of hate here...
I'm sure Jesus and Michelle Buchmann would be proud of you.
Anon 0826 -
I still don't know how that's a threat. Now, if they folks at Google wanted to go after you, then ...
FYI - I'm not pro-gay. I'm just not a biggot. I disagree with friends of mine (who happen to be gay) on a lot of issues. The difference is that we can talk about those issues. Some of the people commenting on this post are genuinely disturbed.
Anon 0839 -
I know Jesus wouldn't be proud of some of the people commenting on this post (on both sides of the issue) and you veiled attack on Michele Bachmann is unwarranted.
Catholic Church opposes gay marriage and if you want to follow their rules don't enter into a gay marriage. But why force everyone to comply with their beliefs? Jews don't eat pork should we outlaw everyone else from eating pork?
We are talking about civil marriage here that you can get at the court house no religion involved.
I'm not a bigot either I'm just disagree that marriage is something other then a union between man and women. As for you denying being pro-homosexual you block a lot of comments that are neither derogatory or threatening to control the conversation in a pro gay argument. I don't care if your gay or not just be fair.
I do not believe many of you are looking far enough into the future on this issue.
All too often, (over the past 20 years) Americans are simply too busy to rack their brains to think for themselves on such issues. There are some of us that do however.
I want you to just start to imagine the NEW LAWS that will come forth in "EQUAL RIGHTS" on this matter.
Trust me, the lawyers will be loving this. Its going to get very ugly, you'll see.
I don't know of anyone who would oppose a civil union in fact that would solve the issue except gays don't want just equality they want forced acceptance.
Joe I'm glad to see your a counter balance to G.A. on this issue I thought the blog was going completely left.
if we disagree with the left, we are racist, bigoted, and full of hate. heaven forbid we disagree with you. the words "homophobe" and "homophobic" were created to give sane people a very negative image. there are several reasons to "hate" heterophobes.
1. they cannot reproduce. if they do, they are cheating on the marriage and their way of life.
2. it serves no purpose other than title. if i remember correctly, they dont like "labels".
3. socially, it is still considered unacceptable by the majority. how it passed into the political realm is unreal.
4. religiously, its an abomination. also, marriage is deemed "holy matrimony" and is in itself a religious institution. therefore the government should NOT be making laws regarding this. in fact, they should not be in the marriage license business to begin with.
5. based on the method of acceptance, if enough child molesters got together and screamed "its their right" we would have to accept their "way of life" too. same with murderers, rapists, bank robbers, unions, prostitutes, etc...
The gays are always screaming about the separation of church and state. But now the government is intruding into the church.
First of all id like any one of you to find me a bible verse new or old test that even really mentions homosexuality good or bad.Second find me a bible verse that Clearly states gay marriage is a sin. Find me a bible verse that mentions gay marriage at all...and when you do post it here. should be a pretty short post as the bible doesnt address either of these issues clearly if it mentions them at all. If you think gay people are picking this lifestyle think again....does it create more issues yes...but again find me a single verse were the bible clearly says homosexuality is a sin and gay marriage is a sin. you wont end of story right or wrong.I would love my child no matter what all children are gifts from god...gay or straight
The Bible says that you shall not lay with a man as one lies with a female, it is an abomination. God created us so we can reproduce children.Steve and Steve, Jane or Jane can not. You can use any words to justify that lifestyle. But there will come a judgement day. Our Lord distroyed the earth once. He isn't as forgiving as you would like to think if we do not follow his words.Believe or not, suppose you are wrong and find out there is a hell when you die. Good luck to you then!
Wait a tick! So, you guys are saying that you would abandon the children you raised all their lives just because a half-retarded, sun baked, goat herder wrote that he didn't like something 2000 years ago because a voice in his head told him to? You guys are priceless. Just one question for anyone who used religion as the reason: Ever ate a crab, some shrimp, how about some clams or oysters? Cause those are abominations too. Leviticus 11:9-12 If you have to look it up, I guess that means I'm better at your religion than you are lol
Had Jesus had a chance to proof read the bible, he would have sued.
12:01:
So by your account, if a marriage is not entered into to reproduce, then it's not a valid marriage?
Then what you're saying, is that even Joe shouldn't have married his current wife since they did not produce offspring (whether or not they even intended to).
What if a man and woman want children together and cannot reproduce? They choose to be artificially inseminated to have a child together. They are cheating on their marriage and their way of life?
As far as "marriage" being a religious institution; I was "married" by a JoP as I nor my husband are religiously inclined. My "marriage" is still strong after 23 years. How many church-sanctified marriages have lasted as long? Even the publisher of this blog, who has stated he was raised in the Catholic church, is on his second marriage. The Catholic church does not allow divorce, but it's an accepted practice now.
And Joe, I'm quite concerned that you equate women's liberation with a negative change in our society. As a woman, I find that sentiment offensive. Thanks to women's liberation, I am not property of my husband or my father and I have the right to vote and be my own person. I have the right to stand up to domestic violence, to not be raped, and to enter the workforce if I so choose. I'm sure your wife appreciates the efforts of the women's liberation as well. She works, she is allowed out on her own without a chaperone, and I'm pretty sure she is not beaten nightly.
It's funny reading the homosexual atheist fictional Bible quotes.
The government doesn't allow the church to intrude into it so why does the government intrude on the church?
2:08 This is not about church weddings. This is about civil state issued license.
Drew. read St John 1 . Jesus is The Word. And Jesus loves even the homosexual he just hates the sin that they commit. Just like the rest of us. But you can choose life and more abundantly if you choose to follow his teachings. If you to live the homosexual life without repenting of the sin you choose the death that all of us are bound to without the grace that God offers through Christ Jesus. To answer the survey. I would be very disappointed,but could not disown my child. And I would not particpate in the ceromony or accept the other person as I would a person of the opposite sex.
I truly, truly do not understand why there is an argument at all. To be honest, conservatives contradict themselves on every main issue of this argument. They are listed below.
Conservatives say:
1: The government should make it so Gay marriage should not be called marriage.
2: The government should stay out of the church.
So this means that the government should stay out of the church, but if a church decides to officiate and honor a gay marriage, the state should reject it. How does that work?
1:Civil unions would be acceptable.
2: Legality of marriage shouldn't be up to the state.
So if gays can have the same rights as you, and the state shouldn't be able to declare what a marriage is then why are we arguing? So what if the state gives people the same rights and leaves it up to the church to declare it a marriage? It should be known that most states that passed a gay marriage law included a clause that gave churches the ability to abstain from officiating. So exactly what is the issue?
Finally, conservatives repeatedly state that the government should stay out of marriage, but when people try to make that possible by repealing the only law on marriage they go into an uproar. If this law wasn't in place in the first place you wouldn't hear anything about gay marriage because it wouldn't be up to the government. So much contradiction....which leads to confusion.
It's only a contradiction if you don't believe marriage is between a man and a women. Most just want the institution of marriage left alone.Marriage as started by the church as directed by God is between a man and a woman and the definition is clear anything else is something else. Most people support civil unions which is equal and if that doesn't cut it start your own religion and have your own deal don't force an unwilling public to succumb to your demands.
2:56 You are implying that the institution should be upheld, but shouldn't that be upheld through the church? Gay marriage laws aren't forcing churches to participate. Also, be reminded that the first law where the state imposes upon the church is when it decided to constitute what a marriage is. As you say, "Marriage as started by the church". If it was started by the church and separation of church and state is supported (and is what our country was founded upon) then why was the defense of marriage law created in the first place and what is the problem with it being repealed? Then our country would go back to how the founding fathers pictured it.
The bible says you should kill someone for working on sundays, snakes talk to people, and an old man with hand tools built a boat big enough to fit 2 of every animal in the world on it. Yet the christian right's answer to everything is "the bible says so". Screw your bible, I think its an "abomination" to speak of murdering or disowning your own child.
Rob S
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