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28 comments:
Hey, Joe, What's the year and make of it so we can find an accurate comparison? I'm thinking about making some money here...
They sold this massive fire truck with all that equipment on it for $5,500?!! Are you freakin' kidding me?! I think whoever was responsible for selling it, no make that, giving it away, should reimburse the city taxpayers for the difference in what it was actually worth. Holy crap! How do people get away with stuff like this?
I;m not a firetruck expert, but this gives me some comparison. Looks like Pittsville stole this puppy.
I, in no way shape or form, am defending the idiots in control of the SFD, however, I have a good knowledge of used fire apparatus.
Ladder 16 is a "CF" model Mack, and appears to have a either a Maxim (now long out of business) or a Thibault (a Canadian company, not sure if they are still around or have merged with another builder.) First the aerial device- is it within current inspection? All aerial devices are required to be inspected once a year by an independant UL-Certified Test Agency. If it is not within current certification, or it has failed it's latest recert, this drops the value. Additionally, the type of raising mechanism can lower the value if it requires extensive use of pulleys and cables, as the Thibault's did. This means maintenance which means more money.
The body could be Mack (they did at one time build complete firetrucks, minus the aerial device) however they stopped building bodies in 1985 or so. Production of the "CF" series of chassis/cabs ended in 1991.
The truck appears to be of at least 1980's vintage (hard to tell, "CF" Macks didnt change very much over the years, but I am basing my guess on the open cab (not a 4-door as most firetrucks were AFTER the late 80's) as well as the appearance of the condition of it and the lighting package as well as some of the other equipment I can see.
Based on my guess of at least 1980's vintage, it's a very good bet that there is a lot of rust in the body as well as the cab. "CF" Macks rotted out in the wheel wells and the battery boxes very rapidly, especially in areas where a lot of road salt was used in the winter. The late 70's going into the mid 1980's were very bad years for fire truck builders due to bad jap steel. Just ask anyone with a truck made in those years by Hahn, Mack, Maxim, American LaFrance or other common builders.
It is a single rear-axle chassis, with an aerial device- making it pretty heavy. Leads to high maintenance costs (brake shoes!!!) and less desirability versus a dual rear-axle chassis ladder truck. This is especially important for this particular vehicle, as it is also equipped with a pump, and most likely a water tank as well (if it has a tank, it is probably in the 300-500 gallon range) adding to the weight vs. maintenance concerns.
It's an older truck, and just like anything mechanical (used cars!) the older it is, the higher the mileage. Mileage in firetrucks isnt the concern however, for firetrucks, it's the engine hours that rack up. The more it has been used, the more maintenance it will require. Has this truck been maintained over the years? Does it require extensive work dropping the value?
How about the transmission? Is it a Mack 5-speed Manual, which many of the younger volunteers these days simply can not operate, or is it an Allison automatic transmission (a good automatic truck transmission but needs more maintenance that the manuals!) If it is a manual what is the condition of the clutch (this is an expensive repair!!!)
Based on the above evaluation, I would venture a SWAG (stupid wild ass guess) as to the value of this truck being no more than $7,000 to $10,000 dollars, dependant on the condition.
9:55
Thanks for the info.
1980 Mack CF 600 Maxidyne motor. 100 ft American LaFrance ladder completely new built 8 years old. Auto Trans. Jake brake. 6 KW generator 300 gal. water tank. little rust to be found.
Check this out Heres your sign.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/_Commercial-Trucks__260359598459_W0QQ_nkwZQ28Q23260359598459QQ_fxdZ1QQ_ptasZ1
A Mack engine can run for millions of miles. Joe Miller bought one of Dashiells old '69 Mack DM model dump trucks that has seen it's share of hard pulling, hard driving, hard work over the years. That truck is still out on the road somewhere. I forget who Joe sold it to but it's still hauling dirt, stone and blacktop. I don't know of any fire truck that has done the work of a dump truck.
anon 11:14, "0 items found". Check your link
The value of those trucks you listed may be skewed if the departments that had them refurbished them which can run in the 10's of thousands of dollars. Did the equipment that is being sold belong to a busy department that used it on actual calls not just mileage from call to call?
I agree with Anonymous 9:55 that the truck is not worth much more than what they are getting for it. You people that have no knowledge of fire apparatus (and believe me mine is very limited compared to many others in the fire service) need to look into all the facts before you crucify Salisbury for what they sold it for. You're not just buying some used car off the lot where they are trying to make a profit.
Norbie
I love it, DAMAGE CONTROL!
Tell me, whats wrong with a neighboring fire company getting a fire truck at a great price? Would you rather see this truck go out of county and the city recoup an extra $20,000.00? I don't think Pittsville has access to the cash needed to purchase a new truck. So GIVE them the truck.
Anonymous said...
Tell me, whats wrong with a neighboring fire company getting a fire truck at a great price? Would you rather see this truck go out of county and the city recoup an extra $20,000.00? I don't think Pittsville has access to the cash needed to purchase a new truck. So GIVE them the truck.
4:40 PM
Look BOZO I am a city tax payer and I have a problem with giving a neighboring fire company a fire truck at a great price.
It is not my problem that Pittsville doesn't have access to cash needed to buy a new truck. It is obvious that pittsville doesn't need a new truck much less a ladder truck period.
Yes I would rather see the truck go outside the county and the city recoup an extra $20,000. It is MY money, I live in the city and pay city and county taxes.
How dare you say the tax payers should GIVE pittsville something they don't need.
You obviously don't live in the city and/or pay taxes. Now go back to your little trailer and pay your rent. It is Friday and your weekly rent is do.
By the way since you are so anxious to give something away why don't you find that extra cash and buy the truck for them.
Next time you need to sign your name so we will know who wants to give our money away.
Anonymous said...
The value of those trucks you listed may be skewed if the departments that had them refurbished them which can run in the 10's of thousands of dollars. Did the equipment that is being sold belong to a busy department that used it on actual calls not just mileage from call to call?
I agree with Anonymous 9:55 that the truck is not worth much more than what they are getting for it. You people that have no knowledge of fire apparatus (and believe me mine is very limited compared to many others in the fire service) need to look into all the facts before you crucify Salisbury for what they sold it for. You're not just buying some used car off the lot where they are trying to make a profit.
Norbie
2:28 PM
Norbie, Norbie, Norbie
Why are you speaking on behalf of the Salisbury Fire Department. Didn't you abandon them and go to Ocean City a couple of years back?? Do you even live in Salisbury?
Chris Brown, I mean Norbie, was one of the lazyiest men that ever worked for the Salisbury Fire Department. There is only one lazyier that comes to mind and that is Richard Hoppes AKA Fatso.
Wow anon 4:57, are you smoking crack? You better chill a little. I guess I should be feeling bad because we could help a neighbor. I notice you signed anon. also. Afraid people might see you for the stingy mean person you are. Do me a favor and just shut up.
Whatever happened to charity?
anonymous 5:53, Are YOU on crack? You didn't sign your name either!
Anonymous said...
Wow anon 4:57, are you smoking crack? You better chill a little. I guess I should be feeling bad because we could help a neighbor. I notice you signed anon. also. Afraid people might see you for the stingy mean person you are. Do me a favor and just shut up.
Whatever happened to charity?
5:53 PM
Yes Crackhead what happened to charity. Why don't you contribute? Because you are a welfare monger and you don't pay your bills. Do you live in the city? Do you pay taxes?
Maybe anon 4:57 can't sign his or her name in fear of retaliation from the mayor or city council?
pittsville doesnt need a ladder truck?well by saying ladder truck you are too stupid to know the difference between a truck and a engine. trucks a used for venting roofs, so firemen dont have to stand on the roof and also for extraction of trapped victims on upper floors.I think Pittsville has quite a few 2 story homes. Trucks are much safer to utilize in these situations.Every jurisdiction should have truck capabilities. End of fire lesson for the day :)
Fire Department
City of Salisbury
To: All Personnel Date: 05 February 2009
From: DC Richard A. Hoppes
Subject: Annual Mandatory Training Policy, Procedure, & Plan
For many years the issue of determining what mandatory training to conduct, when it will be conducted, how it will be delivered, who must attend, why it must be done, and how it will be documented has caused the department and its members much concern and confusion. To this end the department Training Committee has met and discussed all of these questions in great detail. This document is to provide the information necessary for all personnel to be informed on the department’s position and method of execution for delivery of the annual mandatory training to all members. The following is a brief narrative answering the questions listed above. Attached is the formal training plan to deliver the 2009 Annual Mandatory Training.
Various agencies and authorities from outside our department mandate what training must be provided annually to employees and members. The department must be able to demonstrate that all personnel have received the proper training in CPR, AED, BBP, NAERG, Right to Know, Diversity, SCBA Fit Test, & P.P.E. inspection. It is important for all members to understand that the department is serious about its responsibilities to protect all of its members by providing this most important training. The delivery of this training will be completed through the department training section, with all topics being delivered by SFD instructors.
The training committee has agreed that the most efficient and effective method to deliver this training is through a “Training Rodeo” or all day training event designed for students to move through various stations and complete all of the required sections to receive full credit. All personnel shall be required to attend one of these Rodeo sessions annually. The total number of personnel that can attend one session will be held to a maximum of forty-eight (48). This is due to the limits on space of the facility and the manageability of the classes. All personnel must pre-register with the training section for one session to avoid having to turn members away due to class size limitations. The preferred method of pre-registration is through email so that all can have a written verification of signing up for a class.
Students will be divided into teams of four (4) and identified by an assigned color. Students will receive a task check-off sheet that is the color of their assigned team. The individual student is responsible to ensure that they receive a signature from the station instructor in each of the categories, and do so prior to leaving the station. Failure to get the signature prior to leaving the station will constitute a failure of the student in attending or completing the station and be considered to be an incomplete for the entire day. No make ups will be provided on the day of the rodeo. Each team will be assigned a team leader that is responsible for the actions of the team members as well as the movement of the team from station to station. Each team will move from station to station as a group and individuals are prohibited from leaving the assigned stations until the entire group has completed the work of the particular station. At no time will the individuals or groups move to the next station until the group before them has completed their work or assignment. A break area will be provided for groups finishing a station and waiting to move to the next.
The training committee has determined that the total number of sessions will be four (4) and that the annual mandatory training will be conducted in the month of March annually. For planning purposes the committee decided that the sessions will be held on the following days: the first, second, and third Saturdays in March and skipping two consecutive Saturdays and holding the final session on the following Sunday. If there is a need to hold a make-up session for personnel failing to attend one of the regular sessions, the date for the make-up will be the first Saturday in June of each year.
Failure to complete one of the March annual mandatory training sessions will be considered an act of insubordination and the offender shall be automatically suspended from operations for the following terms: career employees shall received a suspension without pay for a period of forty-two (42) working hours and volunteer members shall receive a suspension of ninety (90) consecutive calendar days. Disciplinary actions for subsequent offenses will be grounds for termination or separation from the department.
Any and all questions should be directed to your station training officers for volunteers and to your company officers for career members. I appreciate your efforts to ensure that you are trained and prepared for the rigors of this job and wish each of you luck and safety as you perform the assignments given to you.
Annual Mandatory Training Plan
2009 Mandatory Training
(CPR, AED, BBP, NAERG, Right to Know, Diversity, SCBA Fit Test, & P.P.E. Inspection)
Date Time Location Platoons / Stations Assigned Personnel
07 March 2009 08:00 Fire HQ A / 1E / Vol. ALL
14 March 2009 08:00 Fire HQ D / 2E / Vol. ALL
21 March 2009 08:00 Fire HQ C / Vol. ALL
05 April 2009 08:00 Fire HQ B / Vol. ALL
Note: All topics will be delivered by personnel from the SFD Training Section.
Note: All personnel are required to attend one of these sessions.
Note: All personnel are required to bring their P.P.E. (including SCBA Face Piece).
Anonymous said...
pittsville doesnt need a ladder truck?well by saying ladder truck you are too stupid to know the difference between a truck and a engine. trucks a used for venting roofs, so firemen dont have to stand on the roof and also for extraction of trapped victims on upper floors.I think Pittsville has quite a few 2 story homes. Trucks are much safer to utilize in these situations.Every jurisdiction should have truck capabilities. End of fire lesson for the day :)
10:18 PM
Before you continue to embarass the fire service with your intelligence by calling someone "stupid," please go back to school and get an education yourself. Your spelling and grammar suck!
Anon 10:36 PM,
Looks like DC Richard A. Hoppes is a fat Hitler.
He obviously leads by threats and intimidation.
"Failure to complete one of the March annual mandatory training sessions will be considered an act of insubordination and the offender shall be automatically suspended from operations for the following terms: career employees shall received a suspension without pay for a period of forty-two (42) working hours and volunteer members shall receive a suspension of ninety (90) consecutive calendar days. Disciplinary actions for subsequent offenses will be grounds for termination or separation from the department."
How much is this costing tax payers in overtime? Joe I think this should be listed as a separate article. Goes to show you that Mr. Hoppes isn't an innocent victim in the wasteful spending of Gordy and See.
Well thats right in your face direction. Your going to suspend a volunteer for 90 days for missing this bunch of crap. Better think that one over good. You need all the volunteer help you can find. This is a fine example of why Salisbury has trouble keeping people. Mandatory this and that all the time. We have families and a life you know. The paid men have to be paid for taking this after hours. They wont let them take it on duty. Theres a heap of cash wasted in overtime. They dont want to be there either. You dont see other FD's doing this kind of rodeo as you call it. We'll see who gets special exceptions when they miss it.
DC Richard A. Hoppes says...
"Various agencies and authorities from outside our department mandate what training must be provided annually to employees and members."
There you go Fatso Hopeless trying to be like other agencies. That is why the paint scheme on the fire apparatus has been changed numerous times during his and Gordo's reign just so they can be like other agencies. It's time for him to go.
Caldwell and Ireton are you listening?
Maybe Richard A. Hoppes should "received" a suspension without pay for a period of forty-two (42) working hours.
Check out his spelling and he thinks he is so intelligent.
A good mayor would terminate him or separate him from the department.
i kant rite ether.. but i get the point.. so check my spelling moron
Norbie, Norbie, Norbie
Why are you speaking on behalf of the Salisbury Fire Department. Didn't you abandon them and go to Ocean City a couple of years back?? Do you even live in Salisbury?
5:09 PM
Anonymous said...
Chris Brown, I mean Norbie, was one of the lazyiest men that ever worked for the Salisbury Fire Department. There is only one lazyier that comes to mind and that is Richard Hoppes AKA Fatso.
5:30 PM
That's pretty funny!
Norbie
Anonymous said...
i kant rite ether.. but i get the point.. so check my spelling moron
8:02 PM
Thanks Rick!
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