Here in Salisbury, certain members of the City Council want to eliminate the Lord’s Prayer from council meetings. In Eugene, OR their council has chosen to eliminate the pledge of allegiance.
Ironically, in an op-ed from May 9 I asked the question:
Should the city end its practice of reciting the “Pledge of Allegiance”?
Well, Eugene it appears they have.
Why? For the same reasons that people cited in Salisbury while arguing FOR the end of the Lord’s Prayer.
- It’s DEVISIVE!
- It has nothing to do with council business.
Fortunately for us, none of our council members are as anti-America or anti-God as those in Eugene. Councilwoman Betty Taylor compared the Pledge to the Communist Manifesto. Councilman George Brown claimed that the Pledge has no place in City Hall:
People can say it in their front yard or backyard,” Brown says. “It really doesn’t help move the city business forward. It does not unite us.
To elect people like Brown or Taylor, you need an electorate that is nearly as bad:
Resident Anita Sullivan summed up a common viewpoint: “So you say I pledge allegiance and right there I don’t care for that language,” Sullivan says. “It sort of means loyalty to your country; well, I feel loyalty to the entire world.”
While we may have a few citizens as bizarrely left wing as those in Eugene, they aren’t the norm (fortunately). For people like Sullivan, I hope they become “citizens of the world.”
23 comments:
Anon commenters will begin blaming liberals in 3...2...1
(BTW- I am pro-Pledge, anti-Prayer.)
I am pro pledge and pro prayer in all city, county, state, board of education, city school, and sporting event activities. It never hurt any of us when we were in school and it won't hurt the heathens that are in school now, matter of fact it would probably do them some good.
Dan,
I'm glad you see where the truth lies. In fact libtards that want the government to control every aspect of our lives realize the "Inalienable right" or rights granted by God, are in competition with the God called government.
In the former Soviet union:
A communist government has to have the people looking at them as a god or as diety. After all, a communist government basically decides what people do in terms of career, in terms of where they live, what choices they have for food, clothing, medical care and how much money they “live on.” Allowing the people to have a “god” places the government at number two in terms of authority and prominence in a citizen’s life and might lead to a rebelion.
The fact is Dan, that Libtard Dumbocrats don't like the constitution because the constitution places limits on governments power. The constitution states that the rights are granted by God and government can't take them away.
If the libtards are successfull at removing God from society, then the rights granted by God revert to rights granted by government. If government grants right then government can take rights away.
I am pro-original pledge and anti-prayer.
However, I find it funny that people who continually call Obama a socialist and therefore deem him "unAmerican" are apparently ignorant of the fact that the pledge was written by a SELF CONFESSED socialist in Francis Bellamy.
3:44
Who the heck cares who wrote it?
Obama is "UnAmerican" because he is attacking the very foundation of this great nation. He doesn't believe in American exceptionism or at least he's trying to attack that too.
When you are brought up as a child being taught that America is the root of all evil like Obama was, you try to "kill the giant satan"
like every true Muslim should.
3:52, you're an idiot
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I'm anti-pledge, anti-prayer.
I thought you Bible-believers weren't supposed to pledge alligence to anyone but your God? Then why would you want to go against God's supposed will and pledge alligence to a flag?
The Constitution does not mention God one single time. The Declaration mentions Nature's God or Creator once or twice because Jefferson was a Deist. Meaning he believed there may have been a universal creator but it was not the Christian God nor did this universal creator involve their day-to-days in what Earth does.
Btw, Anon @ 1541...it's "rebeLLion" with two "L"s for further posts.
The Constitution does NOT state that any god granted rights to the government. You need to re-read the Constitution because I did not see it there when I re-read it today. Repugs are pissed b/c the Constitution won't allow them to make this country into a Christianic theocracy as they want it to be. We are allowed to worship any religion or not worship as well. Islam has as much of a place at the table as Judaism and Christianity. Anyone who feels otherwise is not a true believe in the Constitution and the specific way our Founding Fathers (of which John Qunicy Adams is not one of them) set it up.
Don't get pissed b/c Obama is actually trying to right the wrongs of the Bush Admin except ending the wars now and repealing the now Bush/Obama tax cuts which have led to essentially NO growth. Just goes to show that lower taxes don't lead to more economic activity unless taxes are cuts on the middle class because they are the ones who are going to spend it on necessity. When you have more money, you're less likely to spend it and instead keep it in the bank.
Obama is not "Un-American." If he is, then so is Dick Cheney who said that "deficits don't matter." I guess he felt the same way about the trillions we're spending overseas and having KBR (subsidiary of Haliburton) setting up showers for our soliders which in fact killed our men and women by simply walking into a shower. If Obama's a Muslim, then so am I. I'm an atheist btw...I believe that no religion is above another one. All religions have done nothing but put people at each other's throats and has not done anything for humanity as a whole. Churches are more worried about fighting marriage equality then they are about feeding the hungry and clothing the homeless. Why don't you stick to vows of poverty and helping those less unfortunate as St. Francis of Assisi, Martin de Poores and even Jesus (if he even existed) all did with their lives.
Yea, who cares who wrote it?
Wait. What?
It does matter who wrote it. I'm glad I know who wrote the Constitution, the BIBLE and the pledge.
The point of pointing out a socialist (he claimed to be a socialist christian BTW) is that good ideas- heck GOD ideas- can come from all corners of the American experience. A socialist who wants the state to run big oil companies and still bow his head and worship the most high. Politics need not separate us if we strive to listen to each other and treat each other with respect. There are absolutely great and godly people that disagree with me 100% of the time and I still love them wholeheartedly. Just as Jesus does. Obama included.
3:52, why do you call 3:44, who is expressing an opinion you obviouly disagree with, an idiot? I think that Joe should consider eliminating any post that calls another writer an idiot or moron.
5:17, because he is one. . .his arguments lack proof. . .if you are going to post then post facts which can be supported or don't post at all. If you post lies which have no basis in fact then I will call you what you are, an idiot. Bill O'Reilly might call them pinheads.
To Whom do you pray?
That is the real question. G O D are just letters making up a word. It is not a NAME.
Jesus Christ is a NAME.
Jesus Christ's Father is our Creator.
God is a word.
To 5;08. The only way for you to be able to post a comment here, is because you are a free American. Get my point? Relook your own comments. Hope someone puts you on depression medications. You need help!
Ed Kacsuta,
50 years ago when people could pray in school and people had a respect for this nation & feared God we were better off. The day you stand before Him you will wish you had feared Him.
Civility and belief in a supreme being are both important in the basic education of a citizen. It can do no harm and certainly can do a lot of good to reaffirm our faith in the supreme being and our county.
Ed Kacsuta, have you ever served in the military? If so, what country? You do not believe in God or the Pledge,but you believe in Obama. You are a sick puppy, and the reason our country is in the shape its in today. Go spend your food stamps, and welfare check. Your computer is probally rented!
5:12 - Who wrote the Bible?
This country is falling apart by the seams quickly. God help us.
Mr. Kacsuta -
I wish I had time to respond to everyone of your mistakes here, but I'm running on to deadline. However, I'm going to hit a few:
Not all of us Bible believers refuse to say the Pledge. It just so happens that I am one. I am also (or at least try very hard to be) a non-resister. That said, I thank God for allowing me to live in a nation where I can be a non-resister and where I am not forced to pledge allegiance to a flag or a government.
Those of us who, because of personal conscience, do not pledge allegiance to the flag simply stand respectfully when others do. While I oppose war, I will not do anything to endanger or show disrespect towards those who are willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice to protect the very nation that allows me to hold my views and practice my faith.
As for your twisted views of the Constitution and our Founders, I would suggest you read the same literature that provided many of the ideas for our constitution. John Locke's Natural Law (our inalienable rights) can be found in his 2nd Treatise. Montesquieu, Cicero, etc. I hate to burst your bubble, but the assumption was that this nation was a Judeo-Christian one. Our right to worship our God (the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob) as we chose. Now people like you want to suppress religion. It's OK to fornicate in the streets but we must pray behind closed doors.
It just so happens that I prefer praying behind closed doors, but I want to be able to pray in public if I choose.
And no, I do not want a theocracy. Those of us who love and respect our constitution realize that it is a limiting document. Because people like you seem to worship at the altar of the Almighty State, some kind of secular theocracy is a possibility. However, a theocracy of any kind will not come from people like me.
"There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites" - Thomas Jefferson
"The religious issue was dragged out, and stirred up flames of hatred and intolerance. Clergymen, mobilizing their heaviest artillery of thunder and brimstone, threatened Christians with all manner of dire consequences if they should vote for the "in fidel" from Virginia. This was particularly true in New England, where the clergy stood like Gibraltar against Jefferson" - Saul K. Padover
>Why would contemporary clergymen have so vigorously opposed Jefferson's election if he were as devoutly Christian as modern preachers claim? The answer is that Jefferson was not a Christian, and the preachers of his day knew that he wasn't.
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All power comes from God. God allows whatever government there is to exist and we are to obey that government as it is a minister from God.
Jesus and others lived under an illegal government but he still obeyed it and paid their taxes.
But if government makes a law that is against God we are to resist it and accept whatever civil penalty they may give. We would then be obeying God and submitting to the government which He has ordained.
We may peacefully discuss any law we feel is wrong and try to get it changed, but until it is changed we are required to obey it.
If the government decides to feed hungry children with tax money, so be it. If you don't agree, argue with the ones who decided this.
What message are you sending to the children, and others, if you have the means to feed them but refuse?
You want to pray, go to church. How difficult is that to grasp? Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.
Was the Lord's Prayer said before or after the "Call to Order?" Moving the prayer before the call would nullify any "legally sanctioned" arguments. Those who do not want to participate can sit respectfully or wait in the hall if uncomfortable.
Having guest clergy of different traditions alternate the honor of an invocation would build a community rather than divide it. It would be a "win/win" for everyone.
The Ten Commandments are on the Supreme Court building. Our currency specifically mentions God. Presidents end their speeches with "God Bless America"...the list is endless. Despite what a MINORITY espouses, this is (according to all polls- ALL polls) a nation of Christians. As Christians, most of us have no problem with others who worship differently (Hindu, Muslim, etc) or even those who believe in NO god, holding Man as the ultimate achievement. No one is trying to shove religion down your throat by merely saying the word "God". Lighten up. Please. We do, however, greatly resent a MINORITY telling us we are not who we are, and trying mightly to change us into something we have never been -- a godless and morally relativistic nation. Not a beacon of hope to the world (because of who and what we are). Not an example of what a republic of "we, the people" can accomplish. Not a place where MILLIONS of people leave everything they have and know to come to achieve their dreams. Not a nation, unlike ANY other, where those things are truly possible. Oh no. The MINORITY wants us to be just another nation. Nothing special. History and facts prove that untrue. And I know a lot of you just HATE that. Move out, as in "out of the country", please.
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