ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
Citizens are spray painting over the camera lenses on what we have been told in three locations around Wicomico County. Good For Them!
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93 comments:
Everytime I drive past one, I secretly wish someone would do that. I would gladly donate to their bail if they get caught.
I love it then the top it off 1776 nice touch
Next, surveillance cameras for the surveillance cameras.
Scary times.. cameras.... drones... email snooping...oh ...and the I have'nt done anything wrong crowd.....you are next on the list..
I don't think that will defeat the electronic tag readers... not sure though...
They should use a more permanent method.
Trial by fire or something.
Good for them? This is VANDALISM. Drive the speed limit and stop with the "patriot" hogwash. This is criminal behavior, and it should be punished.
Sure. Vandalism is ALWAYS the answer. Certainly beats driving the speed limit...
Goverment, anything to make a buck. If they had spent our money wisely there wouldn't be a need for these cameras.
How does three speed cameras spray painted represent "Americans Have Had Enough"? I fail to follow.
Yes because it is certainly OK to condone destruction of others property. Not sure LEO will agree with the destruction after they view who is responsible for the art work, on cameras in the areas. Thinks thet will arrest or just fine the perps"
YES!
You P.O.S. lawmakers should be put on notice!
What would happen if a big truck accidentally ran that thing over and didn't stop?
I hope this is only the beginning...we still need more
Yes but when u your child. Gets hit by some speeding driver neat a school zone please don't put flowers. On the side of the street. Not none on the grave
Please let whoever is doing this know there is one on Foskey lane
4:25-So let me get this straight;when I get locked up for spray painting speed camera lenses all I have to do is tell them anonymous will bail me out?
They are just spray painting the parts that their taxes helped pay for, how is that a crime?
I don't mind the cameras - WHEN KIDS ARE IN THE AREA and SCHOOL IS IN....but if school is out and there aren't any kids around.....turn the cameras off.....That's not what the grant money application says when it comes to installing them....its totally against the letter of the law.
The proper way to protest is in the voting booth... How many of you didn't bother??
5:16 $ 5:21,and George Washington was considered a terrorist!
5:16 - this is civil disobedience - taken to the next level!
Good for them!
Maybe we should protest cameras at ATM's and in banks, at Wal-Mart etc. They are all for one thing....to catch people that break the law. Now we are going to "protest" people being accountable to the law by breaking the law and destroying private property. Why exactly is it okay to break the law and exceed the speed limit by over 12 mph? School Zone or not, it is illegal. Many of you complain because he vehicle owner gets the ticket. What happens with a parking ticket? The car gets it. Nobody has had an uproar over that and it has been the way it has been done for 75 years. Don't speed and don't lend your car to people that speed or be prepared for a ticket. Would you all be happy for your taxes to increase so more officers can be hired to babysit motorists that have no regard for the rules of the road? Driving is privilege, NOT a right. The number one cause of motor vehicle accidents is driving too fast for conditions. The actual problem is that the people that have been able to get away with speeding because they know the cops are far too busy, now can't have their way. If you disagree with a speed limit, there is a way to request the speed to be analyzed. The Federal Highway Administration recommends that speed limits be established within 5 mph of the 85 percentile speed. All of you that live in subdivisions that believe that everyone should follow the speed limit except for you, or have some crazy notion that it is people from "outside" of your subdivision are delusional. Most of the people that get pulled over in subdivisions are the ones that asked for radar to be set up. You can't pick and choose which streets you can follow the rules and which you can't.
6:27, are you suggesting that speed limits should only apply in certain times and at certain locations? The law is the law. Please post the name of your street so that I can speed up and down it and see how you like it. I will tell you what, I will only do it before and after school hours.
Put those "speed" cameras in the hood and see what they get on digital image. You remember the HOOD, right, that place where most of the criminal activity in Salisbury/Wicomico takes place.
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The speed limit is still the speed limit whether kids are in school or not.
y would the morons in the city have them placed ground level... ???
Sorry, but this is just silly. Speed cameras are not a constitutional crisis. The constant victimization claimed by the left disgusts me. It is not much better when practiced by those I normally agree with. Speed limits, and the evolving technologies to enforce them, are just not that big a deal.
How many silly people belive this is for the kids safety. I know you cant belive that. It's just another tax.
6:16, you obviously don't know what the arrangement is, or what your argument is. Your tax dollars do not pay anything for these cameras. Thanks for helping to prove the point about how you guys don't have any idea what you are talking about. Open mouth...insert foot.
It should not be a surprise that someone or group has tried to sabotage the speeding apparatus. The public has finally had about enough of this malarkey.
These things are a nuisance to the public well being and it is draining our community of a valuable resource - money!
Please provide a list of the kids hit by speeders at these locations during school hours in the last ten years.
You can't, because none have.
Gimme that spray can!
I still have not heard a logical argument against them. If you don't like them, why don't you use your energy to think of an alternative means to catch and punish people that break the law while speeding.
I am sick and tired of watching my tax money spent on paying a police officer to sit on the side of the road and enforce speed limits because so many think that they don't apply to them. I like this "user fee" that we have with these cameras. Let the lawbreakers help to fund the police departments. I don't break the law, let those that do pay for the enforcement.
These devices are not to protect are kids... They are revenue generators. Police with radar and police presence protect our kids.
I am really glad they are doing this. I hope they do it over and over and over again. The government is so money hungry. They were suppose to be shut down when school is not in session.
Anonymous said...
I don't mind the cameras - WHEN KIDS ARE IN THE AREA and SCHOOL IS IN....but if school is out and there aren't any kids around.....turn the cameras off.....That's not what the grant money application says when it comes to installing them....its totally against the letter of the law.
September 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM
I may be wrong, but I don't think grant money is involved. I believe the owner of the cameras split the proceeds with the city. A portion of the "fine" goes to the police department.
Request a trial if you get a ticket. Make it more expensive for them then they are going to collect in fines.
I have hoped someone would do that. It's ridiculous. Make cops drive their vehicles on the streets and actually see what the hell is going on in wicomico county. I'm sick of cops sitting at spots also. It's called lazy. Maybe that's why there are murders and rapes going on in Salisbury, because there certainly isn't a damn cop around when a REAL crime is being committed.
@5:52 what the hell kind of school system lets kids cross route 50 anyway, where one of these cameras are. Last time I checked there isn't a safe place to cross on route 50 from the bridge to ocean city.
Agreed 6:27, we the people can stop the greedy scumbags
5:52:
Yes but when u your child. Gets hit by some speeding driver neat a school zone please don't put flowers. On the side of the street. Not none on the grave
WTF?
you dont speak for me, it is not good for them, it is criminal
Nice paint job! All need the same on a daily basis.
9:46 my kids won't get hit by a car because I would take them to school myself if they had to cross a major road. This isn't Mayberry it's Salsbury. No child has any business crossing that road. If you look on the opposite side where the school actually sits, there are no cameras or police.
8:31 absolutely right. It's about money. If anyone gave a crap about the kids safety, then they should get all the thugs and ng members off Salsbury streets.
Waist level?
So tin foil hat people, you always scream for less government, how your tax money gets spent on criminals, how it is a waste of money for cops to run radar when there are bigger crimes being committed in da hood, and so on. I see nothing wrong with the cameras. They cost the taxpayers zero, the proceeds they produce comes from people that break the law and fund things that otherwise would require more tax money, they keep the cops from babysitting on the side of the roads and put them on more serious things. What exactly is your issue other than some of you are obviously upset because you have been busted for travelling 12 MPH OVER the speed limit? They should be allowed everywhere. Good for technology. Some of you people complain to complain. How many of you actually know the facts about these cameras? How many of you showed up at the meetings when the various councils passed the resolutions to authorize their use? How many of you even know who voted for them or even when they were passed? Maybe you should get involved in your government. If you dont, deal with what happens.
Good. These camera vendors are one of the biggest lobbyist in the state. the money we get locally isn't free like the dimwitted politicians like to say. it costs the state upwards of millions to oversee the "program' that oversees these cameras.
Yay! I've been wondering how long it would take before someone did something like this. I hope they do it to them all and do it again when they are cleaned up. Or maybe shoot them next time from a distance and don't get caught.
Good job whoever did it.
@ 8:22 Maybe a solution would be for the car maker to not make cars that go over 60 or 70 miles per hour. What do we need a car that goes 120 when no where can you drive like that.
Right on! The last time I checked our govt has proven they are liars and irresponsible. Just think NSA collecting mass data on all citizens without warrants. It all starts with the little things. Think 1984 folks! I for one am glad to see people drawing the line. Besides...weren't the proceeds from these cameras going to a slush fund/crowd control device for SPD? No thanks.
Here's the deal, if citizens break any laws no matter how insignificant we are punished to the max. Obama can violate his oath, violate the constitution, break laws on a daily basis and there is never a consequence. People really do need to stand up and demand change. A good start would be recalling most of our elected officials because they rarely do what is best for the citizens, only what is best for themselves.
you are wrong. just sayin...
Thank You 8:43....finally somebody that offers an alternative solution!!! That is a good idea...what does everyone think? Governors on all vehicles...sounds simple to me. Set them at 70 and they should be good for any state....or better yet, why not place a wireless device at the beginning of speed zones that will communicate with the computer in the car and automatically adjust the governor in the engine? Seems very possible to me...
I live in the state of Florida. There are no speed cameras. We have red light cameras that were supposed to help stop accidents at intersections. Guess what they don't. People that are going to run a light do so cameras or not. Anyone speeding that is going to hit a child is going to do so camera or not. Many of these cameras are not accurate and if you go to court you can beat them as proven by many that have. Several judges want to make them unconstitutional. Florida is in the process of passing legislation to remove the red light cameras. The problem seems to be a human one. What idiot isn't going to slow down when they see kids crossing the street. We all grew up without these cameras and most of us were not hit by cars. People have changed and just don't care. There would be no need for these things if people went back to acting like caring human beings.
10:19 AM I'm with you. In todays electronic age anything is possible.
I LOVE spray paint .
Love all the comments saying to just drive the speed limit, you guys don't get it do you? These Cameras are run by for-profit companies, they have nothing to do with safety, its about generating revenue.
If people don't notice the cameras then how would they notice a kid stepping out into the street?
@10:19, really? The government can't do anything right, you really want to let them drive your car for you too?
Some People without a brain do an awful lot of talking....it is time for the rest of us to speak up...
All and I mean all these comments are so funny especially those that state that this is keeping law breakers in line so what is the problem. I have lived here for 25 years I was unaware that we had such an epidemic of children being hit by cars. These cameras are only for revenue. Why don't we just put up a camera everywhere someone is hit by a car. Government folks snow alot of you by pulling the "kids" string. I mean who wants to hurt kids. Why don't we get these cameras to ticket for seat belts and cell phone use. just think of all the money we are leaving on the table. Another point is that we have had these cameras for a while. I havent seen a real reduction in crime because the officers time can be used for more important things. This whole thing is just another tax or fee not to mention the other info that is being gathered like travel patterns but hey most of you don't mind if they read your emails or listen to phone calls either..what's the point...freedom and liberty matter
".. They are revenue generators. " says anonymous
....that could not generate revenue without speeders.
its about time somebody stood up for whats right. one up for the working class
Since they have cameras where they say they need it. Cops should not be allowed to do radar on other streets where speeding is not important. Just food for thought. Keep up the good work my friends
@7:31, who says they are actually speeding? Its just like those red light cameras they put up and then shorten the yellow times.
If your kid is to dumb to look both ways hes to dumb to function in society.
Go after the real problem, Obama and other liberal democrats, not a system intended to make our street safer for pedestrians.
So the solution was to take a picture of a speeding car and send it to the owner of the car, not the driver who was speeding. So the person driving the car keeps on speeding through the school zone. Was the car stopped? Nope. Would it be better for a cop to witnessed the speeder and stop them on the spot? Yes. Think the cop would write a ticket to the owner of the vehicle and not the driver? Nope. Cameras are no good in the drug dealing areas because there is no money to be made. How can a law be made that fines the owner and not the violator? Plain and simple. People are just that stupid to let them do it.
Charlie
Ive been driving automobiles for 40 years and have never had a ticket till these things came out. I think it was my wife driving my truck but ill never know!!
What happens when people start shooting these things out and a stray goes toward peoples houses.
@8:27, as opposed to the locals shooting people? You're the only one here that brought up shooting the things.
9:19 thats what i heard they do to speed cameras in pg county
7:02am The road is for vehicles sidewalks are for pedestrians
These speed cameras are obviously not popular, however, they have been effective. I have received 5 or so tickets from them. Not thrilled but guess what, I DO slow down in those areas. When you slow down, not doubt its much safer.... youre more aware of your surroundings and you have more time to react. Im certain this is the same outcome with everyone else so clearly this is effective. Answer this, If a real police officer was sitting there everyday taking radar, would you still complain? Would you spray paint their car? Would you feel the same way? Would you prefer a higher fine and points added?
Everyone that is praising or supporting this spray painting, you are what is wrong with this country. You are promoting crime (vandalism/destruction of property) because you are upset that you were or might have the chance to get caught committing another crime (speeding) and have to pay a fine. What is so glorifying about speeding thought school zones? Why get upset about it? You have gotten away with it for so long, all the sudden you are caught and you think its wrong you are penalized? Why do you feel so entitled?
Who cares where the money goes. The cameras pay for themselves. I would much rather have a uniformed police officers attention aimed towards more serious matters.
Everyone has their opinions about crime levels in Salisbury and the illusion of poor police reaction or activity. You cant blame the police because some unstable kid pulls a gun and shoots 2 people and then himself or deals drugs. Even if an officer were driving down that road during that time, how would it make a difference? Its the people in Salisbury that are the problem, not law enforcement. Everyone should take a minute to reflect where your aggressions and attentions are focused. Nobody is perfect. It feels much better to pass the buck then admit the truth.
@10:45, I dont think Salisbury has sunk to pg county levels of low, at least not yet.
OMG you cry baby Tards. I got a ticket and yes it worked. I slow down by Parkside and Bennett. So say what you will It worked on me. I should not have been speeding through there to begin with. Its not like these cameras are out on a long country rd. They are in residential areas and schools. Give me the ticket I dont feel like listening to some cops crap.
No points just a fine.
@11:08, get off your high horse. People like you that bend over for things like this, not the vandals, they were simply speaking out as clearly the legal channels of removing these things don't work.
You know why those legal channels don't work? Because our politicians will say its for the kids, but really its just about the money.
It took you 5 tickets to realize you were going too fast in a school zone? They don't sound that effective to me but it sure sounds like its working out well financially for the town!
In the morning when schools in there so much traffic its impossible to speed same with when school lets out. So the only time possible to speed is when kids are not around.
@11:48 No high horse here. Im a realist. Support or promote violence or destruction to make a point regarding breaking the law? Really? Not to mention now they have to send an employee funded by our taxes to clean up the mess.
I guess I should have been more clear regarding my 5 tickets, I pretty much got hit in each location once or twice. Learned my lesson quickly.
Youre making is sound like everyone that abides by the law is bending over. They make laws for reasons more than profit. How can you say this doesnt help the schools. Slower drivers = safer conditions. Me being a parent makes sense to me.
Want to get a point across? Want to make a difference? Dont speed! If these cameras do not generate tickets which leads to funds, then their mission has failed and we prevail.
For those that are so concerned about following the law I would say to you "get upset over our president that breaks the laws of our country every day". Spray painting a object is a minor misdemeanor. What Obama does is unconstitutional and treasonous. Get your priorities straight and start worrying about our country instead of some kid spray painting a box on the sidewalk.
8:22, 8:28 and their ilk can't seem to find anything wrong with remote surveillance followed by remote punishment. Really? Look up "slippery slope", which we are already sliding down at breakneck speed. Using your (small minded) logic and your (Nazi loving) reasoning, you'd be okay with a camera at the end of your driveway to remotely photograph you without a seat belt? Sure would save cops a lot of money and time on their latest "campaign" for revenue. How about some camera's in your house to make sure you weren't using drugs or in possession of a banned rifle? THAT would save the police a LOT of money, too. Your personal tragedy or agenda does NOT give you the ability to erase or nullify MY rights, get it?? We already HAVE a nation full of people who think they can do that... Being photographed, filmed, harassed, searched, measured, and listened to, every time I'm OUTSIDE or using my phone or computer is NOT my idea of "freedom", "liberty", or limited government. I'll bet it wasn't Jefferson's idea for America, either....
You're kidding right??
The voting both has not changed a thing in years! You just keep on fooling yourself.
How about speed bumps? Try flying over a speed bump and see what happens. These are just another example of big brother watching you. I agree with Imclain, when does the madness end? Look at all the Constitutional laws this marxist president has broken only to laugh it off and have his cronies back him up with lines like "get over it". These dumbocrats have ruined this country with their visions of rainbows and unicorns, time to vote them out! But, oh yea, dont forget all the illegal voting going on to support these treasonous cowards... Nice job with the paint! Keep it up!
and it's an OHIO company,
that keeps a big hunk of the fine,
pays part of it to the state of Maryland and Wicomico
and pays kickbacks to whatever worthless crook politician gave 'em the contract
1776!
These are NEVER about SAFETY. THESE EXIST ONLY TO PROVIDE REVENUE.
If the powers that be in government TRULY gave a crap about safety, there'd be a push to put them ON EVERY BLOCK.
Why don't you hear about that? Because if they sell it to the stupid voters, as that standard "it'll keep your kids safe" crap (think gun-free school zones and you'll see how absurd these arguments are), and not try to put them everywhere, they know they can get away with it.
FOLLOW THE MONEY.
That's all this is about.
Nothing more.
obtw, I paint 'em here with Swastikas
more appropriate IMO
I’ve researched these cameras extensively because I got tickets when I wasn’t speeding. I read the law, researched errors, math and technology behind the cameras. I read proposals/contracts for other municipalities. I researched arguments for/against the devices. These are cash generating systems.
Though, whether you agree with cameras and/or the revenue is not my point. I see good and bad. What doesn’t seem to be discussed here are erroneous citations (a likely source for the vandalism). Each citation should be reviewed for plausibility. That’s not happening in my observations. Camera may achieve their stated purpose, but can’t be fully trusted.
For every ticket received, I’ve proven I was not exceeding the 12 MPH threshold, even within the timing margin of error. I’ve requested court dates, been issued dates and my tickets were voided before a hearing. Similar events happened to others. Some paid hundreds before understanding what was wrong. I’ve only talked to limited residents. At least one machine has been removed and tickets refunded en masse because of unexplained errors. They should not be blindly trusted and the law understands this by providing mechanisms for human review.
I’m not getting people out of valid tickets. If evidence shows speeding, I suggest paying. So far each citation I’ve suggested contesting has been voided. No court hearing. The question to ask is, “Why were the citations issued if the law requires proper review first?” In my opinion it’s easier (more profitable) to only review contested citations rather than all. Any citation not contested is profitable. Any citation contested and clearly not a violation risks profit by demonstrating failings in the system. The for-profit operator doesn’t want this showing up on the record.
From the Maryland Coastal Dispatch 8/12/2013 are some statements demonstrating errors do happen:
“Though the camera was checked and no obvious problems were discovered, the Sheriff’s Office made the decision to refund all citations issued by that camera for the week the peak occurred. . .”
“Councilman Joe Holloway stated Red Speed has captured drivers going 70 to 80 mph in neighborhoods that, following a review, Sheriff Mike Lewis and County Attorney Edgar Baker have found to be impossible to drive that fast in those areas.”
Note: Brekford operates the photo boxes and Red Speed is the mobile SUV system.
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
First they put in cameras to make us feel safer, then the cameras monitored our every movement. We didn't object because we were fooled by the notion we were being taken care of by the government.
we had red light cameras installed in spokane to make us "safer". instead of utilizing them for that purpose, they shortened the time for the yellow light(to almost non-existent) to maximize the amount of revenue generated by people running red lights. They caused accidents, and people DIED. so throw away this safety BS. Its only about money.
Anonymous said...
Good for them? This is VANDALISM. Drive the speed limit and stop with the "patriot" hogwash. This is criminal behavior, and it should be punished.
September 7, 2013 at 5:16 PM
This is a joke comment, right? Nearly all traffic laws, and all red light and speed cameras, are ways politicians extract money from citizenry. Neither speeding cameras, nor red light cameras, increase safety. These two things, as do most traffic tickets, are simply used as a way for politicians to take ever more money from citizens.
First for the record, I have never received a ticket from a red light or speed camera. With that said, are all you Anonymous people who support these cameras nuts! Chicago just added many of these speed/red light cameras for the sole purpose of revenue. Side impact crashes are reduced but rear end collisions have increased and the overall fatality numbers are about the same. Wake up people! I was in law enforcement for 12 years and the main purpose of our department was issuing citations not for safety but for county revenue. Why are ticket prices set to where they are at? Painful but at a price point where the courts are not flooded with people taking time off work and disputing them. Its all about the money!
Anyone saying they do not break the law is ignorant of the law. Every citizen in the US is a criminal. Many of us break the law daily without even knowing it.
The law needs to change, and these cameras are a symptom of a now widespread disease in our government.
We live in a surveillance prison of our own complacent creation. The very presence of this electronic observer changes the whole situation. We are living in the dystopia countless authors have warned us about for over a century now.
In EUrope and the UK, they deal with the GATSOs by surrounding with tires and burning them. Cost 45k euro to replace. Ouch
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