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Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Should Americans Have To Pledge They Are 'Under God'?

WASHINGTON -- Everyone knows it. Not everyone loves it.
 
But every American public school student has come across this refrain at least once:
I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America
 
So far, so good. Most content citizens would agree they are allied with their home land.
 
and to the republic for which it stands
 
Perhaps we don't all agree with our system of government but at least, as Churchill said, it's the worst "except for all the others."
 
one nation
 
If you agree with the outcome of the Civil War, we're still good here.
 
under God
 
We'll come back to that one.
 
indivisible
 
Agreed, again, if you've forfeited any leftover Confederate dollars.
with liberty and justice for all
 
Quite right.
 
These words can be heard throughout schoolrooms, and to commence meetings of organizations considered traditionally patriotic (though some might say, "jingoistic"), including congressional sessions, the Boy and Girl scouts, the Freemasons, the Lions, Rotarians and Toastmasters.
 
But it has caught a lot of flak in its more than 100-year history. Some go as far as to say it's a brainwashing tool to train America's children to "help go and kill all the other country's kids" in case of war:



19 comments:

Cory says stop crying over stupid petty things said...

considering the people in this country are supposed to have faith in some form yes it belongs there.... besides that this countrys original roots were very religious ..... just goes to show how time and ignorance have progressed and how small minded the people of the country have become.... everyone in about me me me and not about anyone else when will people realize this ... It totally disgusts me how every person thinks they are special and that someone cant say something because it might offend them in some way.... get over it!!! you people make me sick

Anonymous said...

Of course -- NOT -- this country was created created by men and women.

Anonymous said...

FYI

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an oath of loyalty to the national flag and the Republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Francis Bellamy in 1892 and formally adopted by Congress as the national pledge in 1942. The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954.

Let's go back to the way it was before Christianity was insinuated into the pLEDGE.

Anonymous said...

No one HAS to say it,but, everyone should be ALLOWED to say it. And how would you stop them from saying it anyway? Beat them to a pulp and deny them their rights?

Get behind thee satan.

Anonymous said...

12:29--

FYI:

It's "Get thee behind me, Satan" from the Gospel of Luke. And it has nothing to do with the Pledge of Allegiance.

I am a Christian said...

Stop crying you left Waco jobs.

This nation was built on Christian Principles.

Do not like it?

Go over to Iran and I will pay for your one way trip.

Anonymous said...

AMEN CORY!

Anonymous said...

If it bothers you to say it,dont.
If you dont want to see it,dont look.If you dont want to hear it,dont listen.
If you dont like your state,move.
If you dont like this country,leave.
You have the right,and the choice to participate or not.Pledge or not,worship or not.
Find another place with that kind of freedom.

Drew said...

Continue the indoctrination of Christian superiority.

Anonymous said...

It's "Get thee behind me, Satan" from the Gospel of Luke. And it has nothing to do with the Pledge of Allegiance

Whatever... and yes it does.

Anonymous said...

It is amazing to see how much rot has occured after 40 years of libtard indoctrination in our government schools.
I trully feel sorry for these people

ConservativeAtheist said...

@ I am a Christian 5:34 am

I'm not a "left Waco job". I think you will be hard pressed to substantiate your claim that this nation was built on Christian Principles... like slavery, being able to put a persons worth into a fraction of a person?

Are we a predominantly Christian self identifying, yes.. but there are very few tangible arguments to be made that this nation was "built" on Christian principles. Were it to be a true claim, then all of the nations constructs must be undeniably caused by the Christian faith (keeping in mind correlation is not causation) and that it was the REASON for this nations constructs... I think that you will have a hard time substantiating that.

Regarding the "under god" in the pledge.. it is a violation of the Establishment Clause. I think it would do all of you good to simply research the history of the "Pledge of Allegiance" before posting here. Would it SHOCK you to know that it was first pledge drafted by a SOCIALIST? The words "Under god" were instituted during the McCarthy era Red Scare... as a reaction to "godless" communists. The history of the pledge is a fascinating one.. you should check it out.

ConservativeAtheist said...

Sorry for the double post folks.

Regarding the compulsory recitation of the pledge in schools.. I am not sure that I have formed a definitive opinion on it.

I think that Nationalism, for the sake of Nationalism (especially for those who invoke American Exceptionalism) can be a DANGEROUS thing. I do think this is this is the greatest country in the world (history of the world) but that is NOT because of indoctrination.. but from understanding and education of other nations/societies/and history. We NEED to question our government and country at all times... if we don't, unchecked Nationalism can allow one to become complacent, and when that happens the government can slowly take over everything.. while you are none the wiser.

This in mind... I still have a difficult time with the pledge... or anything that is a compulsory obligation to support the state. If we believe in personal liberty and freedom... then how do react to compulsory state institutionalized Nationalism?

Like I said... I've not formed a strong opinion on this yet... but as of now, even with my disdain for the Unconstitutional "under god" bit of the pledge... I have found no compelling reason to oppose its recital by school children as long as they are educated on the history of the pledge, the history/constructs of this nation... and other nations political systems and opposing ideals/ideas, along with what "nationalism" is... good AND bad.

Anonymous said...

drew, are you serious? what is superior about islam? their holy book states they are to KILL all infidels. that's us and anyone else who doesn't go along with their brand of religion.
as far as i'm concerned christianity is superior. it's a relationship with Jesus Christ. it's the ONLY faith where God reaches out to man to come to Him through His Son Jesus. ALL other faiths man has to reach to god and hope he makes it.
yes, christianity is superior. christian people aren't superior because we still sin, fail and make mistakes but we have a Savior, Jesus Christ. we can't save ourselves but God made a way for all who will choose to believe and receive His Son Jesue. the ultimate sacrifice for all. it's a choice.
yes, one nation under God should remain. we are still a judeo/christian nation.

Speaking truth to card throwers said...

file this under

"what I should have said"

Christians of ALL colors and denominations must come together and stop the secular humanists from eradicating the word of God from public life.

Those that have done this have been fighting and winning this battle for over thirty years.

Christians have continued to retreat from keeping the word of God in the forefront of our leaders and the publics thoughts.

Those that profess to be Christians in public life must begin to truly stand up for what they believe in and no longer worry about offending a small group of non-believer heretics.

We can examine the policies of these non-beleivers and easily show when judged by any metric that they have been an abject failure in every way, leading to the demise of family, increased incarceration rates, drugs, divorce, abortion (genocide at the hands of Democrats), and so many other societal ills as to be inummerable.

In closing though, the blame is not all the fault of the humanist non believers.

The Christian majority in this nation needs to look in the mirror and see what it has allowed to happen.

ConservativeAtheist said...

@ "Speaking truth to card thrower"

Christian Majority indeed. This nation is overwhelmingly self identified as Christian.

The idea of "America" is about liberty and freedom. It is also about the idea that the majority cannot impede on the rights of the minority.. and that is what the bill of rights/constitution protects (reference civil rights).

When you "claim" that your God is being erased... yet also acknowledge the majority, actually the overwhelming majority... it makes your argument seem.. well, silly.

I think that you are frustrated that people are finally wising up to Christian Privilege... and only asking that Christians get on the same playing field as all other perspectives. In this, you are NOT being persecuted.

Part of the wonderful freedoms and liberties we enjoy in America is religious freedom... and it should be FIERCELY protected. However, only an impartial, "secular", government can ensure that all religious perspectives can enjoy their freedoms.

I am curious, as to your assertion of "Those that have done this have been fighting and winning this battle for over thirty years." Really? How?.. and.. what do you mean by this assertion?

Drew said...

No religion has the right to claim to be superior to any other religion. That attitude is the real source of evil in the world.

Anonymous said...

Whether they like it or not, They are. Yes

Anonymous said...

God is not a Christian term.

The Founding Fathers recognized a Supreme Being in the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"

Not all religions believe in a Creator, God or Supreme Being, but if you think about it, no one forces you to say the Pledge either. Be different if you were forced to say it. I have a friend who doesn't stand for the Pledge. Nobody bugs him about it.