We were told it wasn't cost effective for the Salisbury Fire Department, (a $10,000,000.00 Fire Station) to go green and save taxpayers money by going solar. OK, so do tell me how this local Car Wash was able to do so and let me assure you, they don't have $10,000,000.00 invested into that building! I'll add, the Wicomico County Library in Downtown Salisbury also went Solar.
What say you now Chief See and Deputy Chief Gordy?????????
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OK, now that the BS has been spread by See & Gordy, NOW here's some FACTS and TRUTH.
Ladies & Gentlemen, when the Library Downtown was taken over, they had a 6,000 gallon boiler system in there costing the taxpayers $6,000.00 a year in oil. That was for the original 24,000 square foot building.
My Father In Law had Solar Panels installed back in, (ARE YOU READY) 1978 when they expanded the building to more than 50,000 square feet!
That being said, the solar panels, (which are STILL there today) covered 75% of the heating bills from that point forward and the oil heating system, which kicked in below 30 degrees only cost the taxpayers $1,200.00 PER YEAR after the solar panels were installed.
Yes, I waited till some of the Idiots got on here to defend why they DIDN'T install solar panels because I wanted to show just how stupid and uninformed they really are.
Many businesses are going solar because it makes sense! Barrie, See & Gordy don't care about YOUR tax dollars and the Library is living proof they're liars in more ways than one.
I guess I'll be seeing yet another lawsuit coming soon because every time I'm right about something and it makes them look really bad, they sue me. Oh well, I'm up for it.
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Because it's much easier to pay Delmarva Power. Any they would have to give up 3 flat screen TV's, and 3 lazy boy chairs, and some oak trim, and, oh well, the list goes on.
The cost of the solar panel system would take more years to pay for itsself than what it was worth buying it for. It was cost effective not to buy it. Thats what I heard one person say.
That pair really like green -- in their wallets
Because it's easy to pay the electric bill every month, it's just a small line item in the city budget. But, to have optioned for the solar would have been to much of an expense that may have taken away from the frills you have discovered if it was in the original budget.
Where is the car wash in question? You say local but I'm curious where it's at.
typical soloar panel will last about 20 years if your lucky. typical pay off (electric bill vs. cost of panel) is about 50 years; give or take depending on the design. solar panels are not a cost effective deisgn, not yet at least.
From one who did the research on it:
Installation of a solar panel array at the firehouse would cost between $50,000 and $75,000, including all hookups.
The panels would supply power to a storage system that would provide at least 50% of power needs during peak hours, then close to 100% during off-peak hours.
The system would pay for itself within just a few years (3-5, maximum). After that, the system would be providing free power at an average of 75% of needs, with only about 25% being purchased from the power company.
Flat roofs. In the sun all day. No trees. Perfect place for solar panels.
Seems like a great idea, but, hey, we're in Salisbury.
oh i forgot... the panels you see on that roof most likely only charge 1 water heater or just the lights. you deff dont get your bang for the buck in this lifetime.
Michael, on Northwood Drive near Rt. 13.
OK, now that the bullshit has been spread by See & Gordy, NOW here's some FACTS and TRUTH.
Ladies & Gentlemen, when the Library Downtown was taken over, they had a 6,000 gallon boiler system in there costing the taxpayers $6,000.00 a year in oil. That was for the original 24,000 square foot building.
My Father In Law had Solar Panels installed back in, (ARE YOU READY) 1978 when they expanded the building to more than 50,000 square feet!!!!!!!
That being said, the solar panels, (which are STILL there today) covered 75% of the heating bills from that point forward and the oil heating system, which kicked in below 30 degrees only cost the taxpayers $1,200.00 PER YEAR after the solar panels were installed.
Yes, I waited till some of the Idiots got on here to defend why they DIDN'T install solar panels because I wanted to show just how stupid and uninformed they really are.
Many businesses are going solar because it makes sense! Barrie, See & Gordy don't care about YOUR tax dollars and the Library is living proof they're liars in more ways than one.
I guess I'll be seeing yet another lawsuit coming soon because every time I'm right about something and it makes them look really bad, they sue me. Oh well, I'm up for it.
ask any electrical engineer, they dont pay off.
btw, you left out the cost of the solar panels on the library. and if you say your math is correct, why dosent everyone do it?
everytime you talk construction, most of the time you are wrong.
Delaware (in the Delmarva Power/Connectiv area) has some of the best incentives in the country for solar. They will pay up to 50% of the cost for a system.
In MD there are incentives as well. Whether or not solar electric would have made sense on that building is up for dispute, but I don't think there's any good argument against solar hot water on a building like that.
Let's try this AGAIN! They were installed in 1978, 30 YEARS AGO! If they haven't paid off by now, Dee, Dee, Deeeee, you'd be right. Now sell everyone how they had a 50 year mortgage on the solar panels?
Are those panels used for electricity or for heating water? It would be interesting to know what they are used for and if they are used for electricity, how much they output. It doesnt look like a large array and might be used just to heat water (like many swimming pools).
Boy, people are passionate about their opinions. Here is what is correct. It IS economically feasible to place solar panels on a commercial application. Even with the lousy rebates in Maryland, it makes good economic sense AND--it is the RIGHT thing to do. I should know, I own the Wash 'N Vac Car Wash on Northwood Drive that was referenced in this piece.
I have a solar water heating system to aid in wash water heating that will pay back in less than three years, including the $2k rebate from the state.
The solar electric system is 6.3kW. This system will pay back in 10-12 years, maybe sooner if electric rates keep going up.....oops, I mean as electric rates continue to go up. The rebate from the state is $5k. I will also be able to sell renewable energy credits back to the power company. The details of that are still being worked out. Anyhow, the solar panels have a full 25 year warranty, the inverter has a ten year warranty. Where can this go wrong? I think the Sun is going to keep shining.
We also recycle part of our water; up to 50%. These are the right things to do as business people. It is a win, win.
I wanted to place more solar electric panels on this roof, but have decided to install some at my two Delaware locations. Delaware rebates 50% of the system costs up to $250k. The pay back will be much quicker there.
Brian Dayton
Wash 'N Vac, Inc.
P.O. Box 959
Seaford, DE 19973
if solar panels where so great everyone would have them.... sure Delmarva power will buy some panels, it makes them look good and they know they will not pay off. the typical UV Panel design for that sized building can provide enought power to offset the cost of about 2.5% not including structural support increase (they weigh about 35 lbs. 3x5) each panel with installation is about 2000 dollars. your average solar panel provides 210 watts an hour of electricity or two light bulbs.
how do know this? i have a LEED manual right in front of me.
Panels are 18 pounds each, and cost $1361 each installed; not considering rebates and accelerated depreciation and a federal tax credit. A typical commercial installation will not require any addition bracing. The load is spread evenly across the racking ststem.
To Michael at 12:16 ----- It is between the a and the t. You asked "where it's at".
Joe it's what ever Gordy wants don't you know that by now?
I don't know much about solar, but I recently read that it's not the panel but the energy storing equipment that costs the most money. The article suggested it better to sell the excess energy back to the power company during the day and buy what you need at night.
In the government world, there is no incentive to find original ways to save money. If you don't spend what you're given, your budget will be cut accordingly next year. That reduces your agency's power. You want proof? Look at Gary Mackes and also the fact that government NEVER cuts spending. It is a recession proof industry!
If it wasn't B. Gordy's idea its not a good idea. When will you people learn?
Something like that will get cheaper in time if sales go up, growing production and there is more price competition on the market.
I really think even if it may cost a little bit more it's about time we got our asses a lot less dependent on foreign oil. Anyway we can.
Synthetic oil for our engines, yeah it costs more, it will be worth it, not if but when the Arab extremist's destroy their part of the world with a nuke trying to wipe Israel off of the map.
Taking chances is what investing is all about, solar will make some good folks very rich one day maybe, who knows? I'm not just talking about a little rich, I'm talking about Bill Gates rich.
Our country has always been #1 when it comes to technology, however some procrastinators will always balk at the idea.
Well, I guess you can figure out what you are going to do when the well runs dry. I remember the gas lines in the 70's, and you could only by gas according the last number of your tag being odd or even.
The more I think about it, all one would have to do is just switch tags on their different vehicles to get around that, maybe back to rationing stamps like during WW2. Drivers license #'s wouldn't work either because you could just get someone else to get your gas on the wrong day and reciprocate the favor on another day for them.
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