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Tuesday, September 29, 2020

Presidential debate: Trump, Biden clash over Barrett Supreme Court nomination, ObamaCare as insults fly

President Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden kicked off their first presidential debate sparring over the Supreme Court nomination and ObamaCare, but it quickly devolved into Trump interrupting and Biden calling the president a "clown" and a "liar."

And it spiraled downward from there...

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122 comments:

Anonymous said...

It was an embarrassing moment for our Nation watching that debate.
Everyone saw who our president really is and how he behaves.

And what exactly is his healthcare plan?

Anonymous said...

POTUS doesn’t need a Health Care Plan
This isn’t yet a communist country

However POTUS needs to stop lying
He is the lesser of 2 evils and should stop reminding us of it.

He did a terrible disservice to the Country tonight

Anonymous said...

Look, I am a lifelong Republican 70 years old. Plain and simple Trump shit in his mess kit. He was a dumpster fire in a train wreck. He just blew his chances with those previously undecided.

Anonymous said...

Like Biden said the first time...you ain't black if you're voting for TRUMP. This Racist clown was asked twice to condemn white supremacy on national television. I don't care if he said it a press conference or on some ad before. This was National television with the world watching and he said to stand by. Stand by to do what?

Oath KEEPERS said...

1108..... run back to the safety room at the College @ SU

GROWNUPS in charge now little girl

Anonymous said...

Been waiting for years for him to release it...just like his taxes lol

Anonymous said...

President Trump kicked ass tonight. Anyone who says otherwise is a FOOL. The lines have been drawn. True Americans will vote for President Trump. The libutard Rioting POS will vote for sleepy Joe. PERIOD!! Joe biden is an old tired nursing home resident. President Trump has put up with more shit from MSM, DUMOCRATS, AND FOOL'S in general.
Then we have FOOL'S still asking about President Trump's healthcare plan. Get a F**KING JOB you won't have to worry about it. It's the same as it has been for the last 4 years. AMERICA'S GET WELFARE, S.S.,AND MEDICADE. NOTHING FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Anonymous said...

Get a job and your wait will be over.

Anonymous said...

If you think people are still undecided?? You're as senile as Biden is. Just send in your mail in Biden ballot. So they can find it in a ditch after New year's.

Make America White Again said...

I think if you dont like American life

gtfo

Anonymous said...

Breaking News:

Another shooting in Jake Day's ghetto infested City of Salisbury!

At 11:33 PM Tuesday 9-30-2020 the Salisbury PD and Salisbury Paramedic 2 and Truck 2 were dispatched to a reported shooting on 629 Liberty Street which is about a block away from Station 2.

Central advised there was a victim of a drive-by shooting into a house with a bullet wound to the upper arm.

Anonymous said...

The real loser was Chris Wallace. He was awful... couldn't control anything...let both of them run the $hit show...

Anonymous said...


Chris Wallace: Leading, argumentative questions and interruptions primarily against Trump. Softballs to Biden. Worst moderator ever and my memory goes back to Nixon-Kennedy.

Pose a question that both must respond to in turn, and ST-U. Expect they'll try some spin and if the other guy doesn't refute, have a legit follow up question. Wallace should never be on air again; he was that bad.

Anonymous said...

When someone is the smartest best person for a job that will all be forgotten if they are the worlds biggest jerk. Trump is that person, he lost the election last night. What the world witnessed last night was Twitell Dee and Twitell Dumb.

Anonymous said...

And what about the comment Biden made about police need to bring a psychologist along with them when they are trying to make an arrest or protect your dumb azzes. Just what we need a psychologist out there giving their opinion during the middle of a gunfight or riot. Like President Trump asked him, just which police agency is supporting you, just name one.

Anonymous said...

Trump over any Democrat it’s that easy.

Anonymous said...

Biden was out on his feet with Wallace trying to protect him... just look at the segments that Wallace came up with... not one question on the riots lol or Biden s Russia connection

Anonymous said...

Wallace had to remind Biden what his positions were lol

Anonymous said...

11:25 - I am sorry to say that you are 100% correct. If Trump had any moderate debate skills he could have cleaned up Biden. Instead he was just rude and obnoxious. he looked completely unprepared and just tried to slip in certain things about Hunter when the opening wasn’t really there. Same with the climate change argument: there is an articulate way to present the facts but he just started spouting off stupid nonsense like the “cow farts“. Biden was stupid enough to say that antifa is just an idea. Yet, Trump could not counter and say “antifa is an idea AND an organization that is burning down cities“. No, because he is too arrogant and narcissistic that he probably wasn’t even listening to what Joe was saying.

I do not know how to defend this guy. It’s obvious he is not taking advice from anyone, and now it is showing. I’m sad to say but I think Joe Biden just became president last night.

If he simply kept his big mouth shut, and let Joe talk, Joe would have made a mess of himself. instead, I think he cannot help himself because of his arrogance.

So what to do? Joe Biden is going to be the next president. Our 401(k)s are going to tank. Our cities are going to be overrun with thugs. Immigration is going to get out of control. I ask again: what do we do?

Don’t say “get out and vote”. That ship has sailed. Rather, that ship has sunk, thanks to Trump’s arrogance. Maybe I move to FL, TX, or SD to buy some time. But after that, there is no country left in the world that will be reasonable.

Joe, I know you moderate these posts and this is not something your listeners want to read. I do hope you publish this and then we can begin a dialogue about how we survive the change that is coming.

Anonymous said...

Definite dumpster fire. Not a great moment for America.

Trump did more of what he does, make stuff up , tell lies, and misrepresent.

The only thing for sure, is the fake news narrative that Biden is a doddering old man suffering from dementia has been completely exposed as fake.

If there was a winner, it was Biden because he had less egg on his face and acted less like a foolish moron. There was a decided looser though, and that was America.

Anonymous said...

They both had a chip on their shoulder, and each could have behaved better. The best part was when Trump started in early about law and order, and the look on Biden's face was priceless. He froze with a look of "uh-oh" in his eyes. It was as if his earpiece wasn't working and he could not hear what they were telling him to say. He recovered later but it was too late. The law and order issue will decide this election.

Anonymous said...

After 5 years of abuse and BS from the left , I don't blame Trump for anything , Biden needs to find a rock to crawl under . He sits on the right hand of obama (satan). Trump has had enough crap from all the movements against him , he has the only set of balls on the political platform.
Just so everyone knows it WLM , that means white lives matter . BLM sucks.

Anonymous said...

11:08, 11:25, 11:25, 11:52


Paid Trolls from Soros.

Biden got his ass handed to him.

Anonymous said...

The covid 19 is nothing more than another set back from the left , we have called it the flue before this . The left has attacked Trump for many years , he's tired of it now so suck it up and move on . He is a human and doesn't deserve none of this crap . Judge ye not , for you will also be judge.

Anonymous said...

Whatever it takes to drain the swamp,go Trump 2020!

Anonymous said...

I noticed Chris wallace pulled his tricks for Biden. He pressed President Trump about his TAXES. But didn't press BIDEN on his packing the Court. Actually Wallace didn't press Biden on ANYTHING.

Anonymous said...

Obviously most commenters are for the swamp and what it stands for,go Trump 2020!

Anonymous said...

Two more debates.

Anonymous said...

Obviously aa civil debate is not going to happen. Put them both in separate booths and ask them questions. Give each their time limit then cut them off. Don't live mike them while the other is talking, they'll have their time.

Anonymous said...

Seems like the demorats found this page

Anonymous said...

Health care is between a person and the doctor. Health insurance is a product that any person could choose to purchase from an insurance company on an open market for a negotiated price.

Why should the government have anything to do with it?

Anonymous said...

President Trump won that debate hands down! Biden is a Communist! Do your research and you will find that Biden's family wealth comes from China!

Anonymous said...

Joe survived - bottom line. The bar was set so low for him to begin with it makes it look like he won but he did not and it does not matter. Trump got him to admit and say things that he is now on record with. Trump is Trump and to think otherwise or expect otherwise is crazy. Not a good performance by him tonight but that is fine - we have 2 more and I think this will be a good eye opener for him. Remember - in 2011, Obama's first one against Romney was a total disaster for him. But he came back and won the rest of them. I am personally not worried about this and this debate really did nothing in any direction.

Anonymous said...

1222, I see you don't quite have an understanding of how things work huh? LOL Not to mention, it is TRUMP who said he has a health care plan! Repeatedly. Please do your country a favor and stay home on election day. This isn't even about conservative vs liberal politics. Your statement shows you are an utter buffoon. You do a serious disservice to all conservatives and to America.

Anonymous said...

837 OK, go sell that bull to grandma and see how far you get.

Anonymous said...

Not all jobs provide healthcare genius. And 8:37 the point of the government stepping in is to stop lining the pockets of big pharma and insurance companies who make billions each year. People's well being should not be for profit.

Anonymous said...

I thought the name calling from Biden was immature but I also think Trump is immature for not being able to keep his mouth shut. Both of them were like little kids. Now on to the Pence Harris debate. Hopefully Pence won't feel too uncomfortable having to share a stage with a woman who isn't his wife!

Anonymous said...

The takeaways for me was that Biden's aim was to appeal to the American people and undecided voters (if there are any at this point) and Trump's aim was to defend himself and try to chip away at Biden's son which is the only chink in his armor. Republicans have refused to provide any proof at all that Hunter Biden is a co-owner or has a stake in Seneca Thornton. Why not release the proof once and for all? Why doesn't Trump release his tax records if he paid millions in federal income tax like he claimed last night? Because it simply isn't there.

Anonymous said...

Trump was absolutely shook up last night, he couldn't even beat sleepy Joe Biden on the stage. Missed his opportunity to condemn racism and in fact went the other way on it. Not a great first debate from Trump.

Anonymous said...

Both mem were so disrespectful to the American people and what America stands for. We are better than this - or at least we used to be.

Very sad!

Anonymous said...

Ditto ditto ditto!

Anonymous said...

Because white supremacy is made up. It doesn't exist.

Anonymous said...

Appears that most comments are from the left damorats. Hopefully it is that or some are getting soft. I hear Trump supporters say, I wish he wouldn’t talk like that. They are forgetting he has been in a fight since throwing his hat in the ring and continues each day without consequences to the crying damorats. I would never have thought it possible to cry so long, even babies stop after a bit. I reply that his method is fine with me as long as he is on the job. I don’t care about his taxes, only my own. The man has saved this country (taxpayers) money in so many ways we should be paying him a bonus. Go give them hell and don’t be so easy on the old man that has been at our trough all his life. They have cheated and treated you like trash due to jealousy and it’s time to turn on them. Trump/Pence 2020! Trump/Pence 2020!

Anonymous said...

I’m still waiting for Biden to answer the debate questions... I suspect that Trump’s team “jammed” the electronic communications in the room so Biden’s handlers couldn’t tell him what to say..

Anonymous said...

Or boy

Anonymous said...

Biden raised a record $3.8 million in one hour during the debate. So, that happened.

Anonymous said...

Trump was exactly how we all expected him to be - embarrassing. If you weren't embarrassed then guess what you're embarrassing too!

Anonymous said...

It was obvious to me that Trump was aggressive with Biden to prevent Biden from getting instructions from his handlers through his ear implant.. So Biden was forced to plan “B” of just criticizing..

Anonymous said...

8:37
I agree 100%

Anonymous said...

It's obviously coming from a libutard who's family been on government assistance for generations. I remember my aunt sold her house. About 2 years after the sale. The woman who bought it demanded my aunt fix the fence. My aunt told her she's not her landlord and that the woman owned the home. Home owners fix their own home.
These are the fool's we are dealing with. Always looking for someone else or government to fix their problems. No wonder they never get ahead.

Anonymous said...

I just couldn't get over how OLD Joe Biden looked. He really looked terrible and pale. Voting for Trump but he let almost 4 years of constant badgering him finally get to him and completely unloaded. Which is fine but he should have waited until he won the election, had more control, not interrupted constantly. The debates aren't going to change anyone's minds, there are no undecided voters.

Anonymous said...

Just watch the movie, "Downfall" and go to the last few days in the bunker, and this was last night!

A sad night in American history...

Anonymous said...

Clearly you’re unfit to live in society. Maybe you should go back to Poland or Russia when your family originated. Don’t think for a minute I don’t out you as the fake racist clown that you are. Try me.

Jack said...

I'm guessing there will be no more debates between these 2

Anonymous said...

11:08 In a nut shell. Trumps done more in 47 months than Bidens done in 47 years. And I’ll add ...Hunter Biden. You people are so ridiculous. You can’t even see your own hypocrisy. You and I both know that if Don Jr did 1/3 of what Hunter did he’d be in Gitmo. So please do me a favor and gtfoh with your fake azz concern. And btw I lost my insurance thanks to Obamacare and your messiah Obama.

Anonymous said...

11:25 What did he lie about?

Anonymous said...

12:47 You are correct.

Anonymous said...

11:52 And you’re a complete idiot to vote for Biden. This man hasn’t done shit for 47 years but enrich his family. Want to talk about being racist? Try googling all the crap this man has said about the black community. Be careful you just showed everyone your ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Here you go idiots. Not that you care. Or that this comment will get through. Any facts showing Trump is a liar must be FAKE NEWS right? Your generation will go down as the worst in American history.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/fact-checking-trump-biden-during-025527386.html

Anonymous said...

TRUMP CLEARLY W O N !!! Blew Biden away !!!

Making America Great Again 2020 !!!!

Anonymous said...

Democrat controlled reporter (Wallace)
is Cleary Biased & for Biden & Trump called
him out too !!! He tried to cut off Trump !

Should be 2 Moderators (1 Rep 1 Dem ) not 1

Or have an Unbiased One from OAN news !!!!

Anonymous said...

Biden Clearly showed his DEMENTIA PROBLEM !!

Thus, NOT qualified just on Health Alone !!!!

Anonymous said...

Get RID of Obama Racist Plan & Get New
Republican Plan (already in the works ) !!!

Whites are NOT paying for Black's Insurance
Everyone has to get their own !!!

Whites are Not tolerating being Discriminated
against anymore, & we should have several
insurances if we choose to & work any hours
we choose to without Govt interuptions !!!!

Like it used to be !! Period White Lives MATTER !!!!

Anonymous said...

9:39 respectfully, I think the KKK would beg to differ. How can you even make a statement like that?

Anonymous said...

10:44 just another internet tough guy

Anonymous said...

You watched a different debate than I viewed.

I hope Trump can salvage the election.
But I doubt it now.
Creeper will be 100% justified in cancelling the other debates. Trump gave that to him by being stupid. As usual.

It is hard pulling for Hillary’s good close friend. But I will remain a Trump supporter until election. Then it will end. Unfortunately

Anonymous said...

Jack
I agree. Trump gave DuPont a good reason to cancel the other debates. Probably staged that way.

Anonymous said...

10:55
He constantly lies about the Psyop of COVID-19. Refuses to tell the truth that it is fake and no risk. He supports the globalist communist agenda by refusing to refute COVID-19.

Anonymous said...

Aww poor you, come down and join us in my mom's basement

Anonymous said...

Your head is in your ass if you believe that.

Anonymous said...

If you really believe that you are even more stupid than your post indicates.

Anonymous said...

Another less than stupid comment.

Anonymous said...

His bonus is currently being calculated by the Southern District of New York and the New York Attorney General. It will be paid when Trump leaves office.

Anonymous said...

How do you spell idiot, idiot?

Anonymous said...

You a trolling pos. You do it constantly about black people it’s pretty much every other comment. Then you troll about your own comment. Your FAKE and BORING

Anonymous said...

The same amount his son got from Moscow. Yup, weird.

Anonymous said...

Vote now to eliminate the stress of watching the next 5 weeks - let alone election day AND the weeks after it will still take to finalize the Presidency.

Such a mess and I need one of Joe's Iced Cool Natural Lights!!!!

Anonymous said...

You people claiming the President doesn't have a health care plan are such loser wastes of space on the earth. Sorry not sorry because you are all incredibly ignorant people who I hope to God didn't multiply and foul the earth with more imbeciles. The plan is called Reforming America's Healthcare System Through Choice and Competition.
Many of the reforms have been implemented. I know of someone whose one drug even with Medicare cost 300/month not costs 7/month.

Anonymous said...

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf
Here is the report from Grassley and Johnson. Everyone keeps saying this stuff about Hunter has been "debunked" or "discredited" as Joe said last night. Read the conclusions if you don't read the whole report but there is no way someone can read that report and all of the warning given to Obama/Biden administration about how "wrong" this was with Hunter and not believe that where there is this much smoke, there is fire.

Oak tree rope said...

1220

about Covid.....let's look at this a second

The Virus was from China , and when they started investigating the Bidens..... this virus is released into the US.

This was done intentionally to harm our Country, and the Economy was booming before the Virus hit us.

I'd say the left or the Bidens gave the thumbs up to China to hit us with this Virus.

All the left does, and that is to include you is complain about the Virus.

you guys make me sick.....and you should be glad I'm not investigating why the virus hit us.....

because I believe in the death penalty

Anonymous said...

Hahahahaha hahaha....an “unbiased” moderator from....OAN?!

Thanks for the laugh. Didn’t realize someone could be that stupid.

Anonymous said...

No citations? Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson? Yeah, I’ll pass.

Anonymous said...

Is that all you have 1:02?? You said the same thing your last 3 replies. Your post indicates you are a one thought pony. It's time for your SU circle jerk. You're the pivot man tonight.

Anonymous said...

It's only one libutard posting the same comment. YAWNING.

Anonymous said...

I guess neither have ever read Robert's Rules of Order.

Anonymous said...

1:03 is a typical libutard that can't argue with FACTS. So they attack. PATHETIC.

Anonymous said...

Your comment makes you sound like an idiot. Trump's healthcare is the same as it was in 2016. Look it up lazy ass and stop wasting our time with your asinine delusional dribble.

Anonymous said...

You'll be EMBARRASSED when TRUMP wins again. It's the same BULLSHIT we heard from the libutards in 2016. Hillary won the debate. Hillary out raised TRUMP. TRUMP BECAME PRESIDENT. DROP MIC!!

Anonymous said...

Look in the mirror. That's an IDIOT.

Anonymous said...

I missed the debate but had to clean the rebreathers and other items. Maybe we will get to see the next but doubt it.

Anonymous said...

Trump Strong & Wins 2020 !!! Keep it up !!!

Throw the Clown Biden off the stage nxt time

Keep bringing up Biden's son too ,Lock him up

Anonymous said...

Who knows, what I would feel uncomfortable about is being on stage with black trash. Did I say ugly?

Anonymous said...

You wouldn’t have smarts enough to read them.

Anonymous said...

The boy had to hide his crime. Get rid of the large and give to Daddy.

Anonymous said...

The reason Joey looked terrible and pale is because he is terrible and pale. He probably looked OLD due to being OLD. He can’t help it, but could have stayed home. Go Trump!

Anonymous said...

I don’t give a hoot if true or nut. Give him what his party has given Trump all this time. Didn’t get him down though. 👍 Go Trump!!

Anonymous said...

1:08
You did a good job with it
Twice

Anonymous said...

What is he lying about Homo 11:25 pm? You called him a liar but you didn’t mention, much less, what he is lying about. You are just as ignorant as the Socialists!

Anonymous said...

11:25 pm #2, you are one senile and ignorant moron. Go shit in your mess kit!

Anonymous said...

Ignoramus 11:52 PM what what white supremacy are you talking about? You are living in LaLa land if you think there is white supremacy in this country. You’ve been told a little ferry tale and you are so stupid you believe it. What President Trump tried to address was the real issue which is ANTIFA and Wallace tried to ignore it and Biden just smiled because Antifa.com takes you directly to Biden’s campaign page. Stupid idiots!

Anonymous said...

Oh Bullshit 6:39!! You are one dumb moronic Libtard if you believe that.

Anonymous said...

8:31 pm. I think it’s just one Libtard posting all the Anti-Trump comments.

Anonymous said...

Exactly, 8:37 PM these lazy socialists want the taxpayers to foot their health insurance bills. Do what I and many other hard working American does, we find a job that offers health insurance!

Anonymous said...

Lindsey Graham had a hearing today with James Comey. In this hearing Mr James denied everything again under oath. Because he knows nothing will happen to him.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice that during the debate Biden kept looking down at his podium as if he was reading something? At the very end when the wives came on stage did anyone happen to notice the young lady who came out behind Biden and removed something from his podium and quickly left? It looked like some papers.Then when you look at one of the TV shots from behind Trump you can clearly see a paper or papers on Biden's podium. If you could review the tape you will see that the young lady who removed the papers has long dark hair and was dressed in a long maroon colored skirt and matching. I have seen this woman at other Biden associated gatherings. Amazing. The best place to hide something is right in front of people's faces and it worked.

Anonymous said...

Biden was the ONLY one out of line NOT Trump

Trump did VERY WELL as always & WILL be the
next POTUS !!! FACT

Anonymous said...

Fake News Moderators are also the ones
OUT of Line & it was No surprise to anyone !!

It was Trump & America against Wallace & Biden !!! America & Trump WIN !!!!

Anonymous said...

People have voted therefore you can’t choose a Supreme Court nomination. 2+2 =Russia C’mon maaaaan

Anonymous said...

Here, here!!

GO TRUMP!!!

Anonymous said...

If there is anyone that got anything at all about where either one of them stands from that Debate last night did not watch the Debate I watched. I thought I had turned on a Jerry Springer show. That was the most disorganized debate I have ever seen. I feel like that is 1 and 1/2 hours of my life I will never get back that I learned no ideas from either one.

Anonymous said...

Democrat controlled house ran on making healthcare better what happened?

Anonymous said...

yeah elect Biden and Harris and shut the country down over this virus bet the economy will jump right off the scale after that. If he isnt the Dumbest candidate yet

Trump 2020 baby...... hey Susan Olsen--- we hate you said...

944 am

Biden was wearing a wire on his right wrist he kept adjusting

I Believe you are on target with your comments

Anonymous said...

Green new deal
National health care government controlled
Ban firearms
Ban free speech
Join the Paris agreement and pay billions
Teach a new history
I was shocked when Biden didn’t deny it. I still can’t believe he wants to ban oil. Lol.

Anonymous said...

@ September 30, 2020 at 10:30 PM

Biden is not supporting AOC's Green New Deal. This is a lie.

Biden does not support National Government Controlled Health Care. Also a lie.

Biden does not want to ban all fire arms. Also a lie.

Biden does not want to ban free speech, also a lie.

Teach "new" history? Also a lie. There is no "new" history.. there is accurate history.

When you can't represent someone's actual position, and you have to lie about what it is, then you have all ready lost the debate. Almost everything you posted is a misrepresentation. May be you could try again, just more honestly next time?

Anonymous said...

@ September 30, 2020 at 4:11 PM

You are correct! Hillary won the debate, and she was up in the polling by 3%. She won the election by 2%, within the margin of error for polling, but because of the electoral college (a brilliant system, by the way and I support it), Trump did win.

Biden won that debate, really, there were no winners Biden only didn't do as poorly as Trump.

Biden is also up in the polls by 7%, and he is in the lead in all of the swing states some of them by double digits. This was not the case in 2016.

So, it's NOT the same as 2016. Sure, Trump might win... but it really doesn't look like it. Which explains why Trump is so smoke and mirrors when it comes to answering whether it will be a peaceful hand over of power, AND why he is all ready working to cast doubt on the election process... he knows he is loosing, and is likely to loose. When he does... he'll just be a broke, discredited business man with a mountain of debt coming due, and he will also loose the immunity of the presidency and is likely looking at prosecution or may be jail time.

Anonymous said...

@ September 30, 2020 at 7:02 PM

Did you even watch the debate? Trump was off the rails, not following the rules that he agreed to, non-stop badgering and interrupting, not staying on the agreed upon topics.

He was a mess, it was obvious he didn't prepare.

Trump is so far down in the polls, there are Republicans openly endorsing Biden, multiple Republican pacs supporting Biden, it will take a miracle for Trump to get re-elected. FACT!

Anonymous said...

Biden has gone Back HIDEN !!! He LOST !!!

Anonymous said...

Trump Performed WEll as always !!! Professional !!!

Biden as always very Dis-respectful calling
POTUS a "Clown" & "LIAR" !!!

Biden Clamming up when it suits him refusing
to answer questions (even by his buddy Wallace) only Denying Russia & Ukraine Facts
Which we ALL know are TRUE !!!

Anonymous said...

Biden & Harris are Not even Legitimate to
even be in the Race !!! An insult to America

Anonymous said...

The ONLY insults came from Biden !!! Not Trump !!!

Anonymous said...

12:20 - psyop? Wow...are you the guy that constantly writes on this blog that everything is a psyop? I mean, you do know nobody takes you seriously, right?