A 9th grader in Art class was given a project to create a piece of work with a large letter imposed over a background that they should draw which signifies and expresses things meaningful to the student – things that represent them or things they like. After the project was underway, the teacher saw a student had part of the confederate flag as one third of the background. The other two parts were an ocean and the words USA. The teacher said that he had to redo the project because the confederate flag is offensive. His classmates, including two African American students stated that they didn’t think it was offensive. The teacher said that what they thought didn’t matter. The student was given the choice of redoing the project or taking a zero. He chose the zero. I would add that there is no written school policy against wearing, carrying or displaying this flag. Some students do wear them on clothing, etc.
My initial question is – does the teacher have the ability to punish the student or ban the student from the use of the flag in a personal art project? (not to be displayed publicly)
I posed this question to the administration who responded, and not very delicately, that students do not have “rights” over the teacher deciding what is acceptable in the classroom. They also said that what the other students felt or thought was irrelevant. The teacher is the ultimate law and whether it is fair or not doesn’t matter because children have to obey the authority figure in a classroom no matter what. How can that be possible?
I agree that the student should not disrespect or argue publicly with the teacher.
I personally do not agree that the flag was used in an abusive manner nor was it intended as a slight or infringement or offense to fellow students. The flag represented (in his words) the South, southern rock, hunting and things he enjoys. I do understand that the teacher in an effort to be hyper cautious was trying to avoid a possible issue.
The teacher also pointed out to the student that because he was of partial Mexican decent he should be offended himself. Isn’t it up to the individual what is offensive to them? Why try and convince or question a child to make them feel an offense if none existed before? I feel like children are taught to be offended and more discontent is fed to them then would exist on its own. The cycle will never end if generations continue to teach hate and discontent.
If this project was offensive then equally most history classes, literature classes and other venues should be curtailed so as to not offend. We as a society spend so much time trying not to offend that we are tripping over ourselves and being even more hurtful in the process. And I have to believe that intention does matter – particularly in a case of artistic expression. There was no malice intended nor perceived by any of the students. I feel that the end result was that in an effort to resist possibly offending someone, the teacher managed to clearly offend the personal right to expression of the student.
I am undecided on how I will proceed at this point. I feel that there is a line being crossed or blurred when an administrator can say that the students do not have rights. Perhaps that was not really what they meant, but they were the words used exactly. So my second question is – is that the case? That our children leave the protection of the Constitution at the door or the school? Don’t get me wrong – I do believe that there need to be limitations – I just felt that this teacher applied her understanding of the situation inappropriately, but for the administration to back it up based on exceptions in place to protect the student body as a whole and prevent disruption was out of line. Or is there no actual line?
I feel that the situation could have been assisted by the teacher taking the time to privately explain why the flag might cause discomfort to another student. It could have been a learning experience rather than a public display of power. I’m discouraged by the statements that the students because they are children do not have rights. I understand that the flag has complex and multiple meanings for various cultures and generations. The student now understands that too, but for him it still stands for something personal which is not derogatory. And isn’t he equally entitled to that?
There are many symbols that various people find offensive for different reasons. I wonder if it were a Cross, Star of David, Masonic symbol, Mexican flag, Crescent and Star, Don’t Tread On Me flag, etc if these would have been considered offensive as well. None of these symbols is banned from use in our schools – nor do I think they should be. America is diverse – that is what we as a country have consistently supported and extolled. Doesn’t diversity require a measure of equitable acceptance?
I would like honest and candid opinions on this topic. It has many facets and is a controversial one, but I would like to make an informed decision on what if anything I should consider as a next step.
Thank you and have a good day!
My initial question is – does the teacher have the ability to punish the student or ban the student from the use of the flag in a personal art project? (not to be displayed publicly)
I posed this question to the administration who responded, and not very delicately, that students do not have “rights” over the teacher deciding what is acceptable in the classroom. They also said that what the other students felt or thought was irrelevant. The teacher is the ultimate law and whether it is fair or not doesn’t matter because children have to obey the authority figure in a classroom no matter what. How can that be possible?
I agree that the student should not disrespect or argue publicly with the teacher.
I personally do not agree that the flag was used in an abusive manner nor was it intended as a slight or infringement or offense to fellow students. The flag represented (in his words) the South, southern rock, hunting and things he enjoys. I do understand that the teacher in an effort to be hyper cautious was trying to avoid a possible issue.
The teacher also pointed out to the student that because he was of partial Mexican decent he should be offended himself. Isn’t it up to the individual what is offensive to them? Why try and convince or question a child to make them feel an offense if none existed before? I feel like children are taught to be offended and more discontent is fed to them then would exist on its own. The cycle will never end if generations continue to teach hate and discontent.
If this project was offensive then equally most history classes, literature classes and other venues should be curtailed so as to not offend. We as a society spend so much time trying not to offend that we are tripping over ourselves and being even more hurtful in the process. And I have to believe that intention does matter – particularly in a case of artistic expression. There was no malice intended nor perceived by any of the students. I feel that the end result was that in an effort to resist possibly offending someone, the teacher managed to clearly offend the personal right to expression of the student.
I am undecided on how I will proceed at this point. I feel that there is a line being crossed or blurred when an administrator can say that the students do not have rights. Perhaps that was not really what they meant, but they were the words used exactly. So my second question is – is that the case? That our children leave the protection of the Constitution at the door or the school? Don’t get me wrong – I do believe that there need to be limitations – I just felt that this teacher applied her understanding of the situation inappropriately, but for the administration to back it up based on exceptions in place to protect the student body as a whole and prevent disruption was out of line. Or is there no actual line?
I feel that the situation could have been assisted by the teacher taking the time to privately explain why the flag might cause discomfort to another student. It could have been a learning experience rather than a public display of power. I’m discouraged by the statements that the students because they are children do not have rights. I understand that the flag has complex and multiple meanings for various cultures and generations. The student now understands that too, but for him it still stands for something personal which is not derogatory. And isn’t he equally entitled to that?
There are many symbols that various people find offensive for different reasons. I wonder if it were a Cross, Star of David, Masonic symbol, Mexican flag, Crescent and Star, Don’t Tread On Me flag, etc if these would have been considered offensive as well. None of these symbols is banned from use in our schools – nor do I think they should be. America is diverse – that is what we as a country have consistently supported and extolled. Doesn’t diversity require a measure of equitable acceptance?
I would like honest and candid opinions on this topic. It has many facets and is a controversial one, but I would like to make an informed decision on what if anything I should consider as a next step.
Thank you and have a good day!
35 comments:
Question: Would a swastika be offensive?
I was always taught that you have to pick your battles. I do feel the teacher shouldn't have made the student redo the project but yet the teacher is the authority in this matter. The student should have sucked it up and redo the project as instructed. Take this as a life instruction as life isn't always fair. I don't always agree with my boss but I do what is asked of me.
The administrator is absolutely right, while in the classroom the teacher has the right to direct the student. Would you feel the same if the student had KKK or Hitler. I respect the Confederate flag and my ancestors fought for the South. However, for some its offensive. In my opinion, due to some rednecks who really didnt understand the true meaning of the Confederacy. Just my opinion.
Just curious why a 9th grader would find the confederate flag meaningful and significant in the year 2010? The teacher has the right to offer guidance on what is appropriate. Art is self expression, and a grade in art is subjective. He was given a choice, and choose to take a zero.
i thought that art was about expressing yourself. there's TONS of "real art" that is or could be considered offensive.
That being said, if the teacher wanted to set limits on what the art could or could not include (ie. political, racial, sexual, bla blah blah) then he/she should have specified that in the beginning. Then i would feel the teacher is justified for giving the "redo or get a zero" ultimatum.
i do, however, appreciate that this kid stood up for what he believes in - i just hope he wasn't ignorant during the situation, as some kids today can be. judging from the non-confrontational tone the letter was written, i'm assuming he was mature about the situation"
EVERYTHING is offencive to someone..lighten up.
My child goes to Middle School. They were given a project that included recycling, nature walks, clean roads, hang bird houses, etc. We went to the mountains and the teacher said the mountains was not considered a nature walk due to there was not signs posted as to naming the plants and trees. We did as the project requested, but my issue is "how much closer can you get to nature than the mountains?". My feeling would be take pictures, research the type of plants and trees, name them and turn in that project. That would have been a project that earned points and not going to a local park that is already named. Just my opinion.
The teacher was thinking of him or herself , they are paid to teach. The confederate flag is a part of history , that's just the way it is. If the assignment was art and and some things are not allowed , then she should have dictated prior to the art work. The teachers values should not reflect
on her class , simply , teach art not. What a socialist butt head!
Can't do this , can't do that yada , yada , yada. Take it to court!
He is not learning at home, how offensive and wrong the confederate flag is, so he needs to learn it at school.
9:53 Maybe they're originally from the south. Anymore (more often than not with young adults/teens) the confederate flag is associated with pride in being from the south & not a racism..
10:16 I agree completely.
I think the art teacher should get a grip but at the same time - had one of those students been offended & the teacher allowed the art - that teacher may have had ramifications. Like my supervisor always says.... C.Y.A!!
It's simple word association. Whether right or wrong, when most think of the confederate flag, they think of slavery. When some think of slavery, they become bitter and angry. I would like to think that the student who did the project was unaware that upon seeing his art project, it may create hostility for some. If the parent didn't clue him into this mindset, it should be the responsiblity of the teacher to do so. I think we as Americans would have a better understanding of this concept if we saw an art project depicting the Muslim culture next to the World Trade Center with a tombstone as the background.
Rights aside, the best lesson that could be garnered here is for the high school student to realize there is a time and a place for everything. The rebel flag apparently offended the teacher. This is the person in charge of your grades and in art a lot of that is subjective. Not a person you want to upset.
Teachers are precursors to bosses and when this child gets into the real world they'll soon learn that they won't be able to "express themselves" in a way that will offend customers, the public, bosses or colleagues.
Many are speculating that the teacher did not give guidance on this project. That's certainly possible, but so is the possibility that the teacher gave criteria for this project.
Congratulations to this teacher for being more intelligent than the US Supreme Court. He/she was able to discern offensiveness in a flag that is a part of our national heritage (good or bad) whereas the SCOTUS cannot reach the same discernment on pornagraphy or certain styles of music that espouse hatred or violence. Well done, teach!
I personally believe that the teacher was correct.Student's do leave some of their constitutional rights at the door. I do not recall the name of the case but I believe that the Supreme Court ruled that the Fourth Amendment did no apply to locker searches.
I would think that the court would draw the same conclusion re the First Amendment. In the eyes of some students and teachers, Confederate Flag could be classified as "hate speech". The standard is clearly different outside of academic institution.
This would be a great case to take to the Supreme Court.
i say we put a fig leaf on the statue of David now too. if i remember correctly, i think we will have to spray paint over the sistene chapel (i know i butchered that spelling).
i think 1016am said it best that something is offensive to everyone. those offenses have an opportunity to learn about someone elses point of views. discussions should be welcomed because no one says you have to continue to tlalk to them or congregate afterwards.
Ted thats the last thing I would do. Never bend on your beliefs.
This whole "it offends me" stuff needs to stop. Being offended is a personal wimpering that you can't handle life. It's also means that your feelings are more important than someone elses, and it's selfish. We were not created for selfish reasons, but instead to help one another of our own free will.
Everybody has some experience in their life that makes them unconfortable about something. Grow up and move on.
When I was a child growing up in Baltimore, certain minorites would come thru my neighborhood weekly at night and steal things. Should I be offended when I see those of that minority or things that represent them? Absolutely NOT!
Individuals do things that are bad, sometimes groups of individuals do bad things. It's easy for us to find ways to associate people and label them, but that's not what we should do.
Should the confederate flag be offensive? No. Should any flag be offensive? No. Africans weren't the only people who were enslaved in America. You don't see Chinese people finding trains offensive, yet they were enslaved to build much of the early rail system.
God created us all as individuals with free will. We all belong to the human race, brothers and sisters of one God, our creator.
All of mankind throughout the years has been enslaved in some form. Today, many people are slaves to their jobs. Many are slaves to taxes. Is anyone offended by the IRS?
Forcing people to care about what others feel is WRONG. Having the government force you thru public education to be concerned about "offending" others is WRONG.
We should care about others and their feelings because we decide of our own free will to do so.
Are we born to do this or are we taught? I believe that we are born sinners, and that while some are blessed with a caring and nurturing heart, others aren't. Our faith, our parents, our family....they should be teaching us to care for others...to care about others feelings. Can the schools and other government entities suggest it? Sure, but they should not force it, and what this teacher and school system did was to force someone to care about another. When there is force, there will be rebelion.
This was a great opportunity to teach about acceptance. Accept that things mean something to somebody, whether good or bad. Accept that sometimes bad things happen in order to have something good. Accept that hard work, whether forced or not, is what built our great country. Accept that when people think they are entitled to something, there won't be any hard work. But most importantly, accept each other. Accept our differences...accept our similarities...accept that whatever happened to get you where you are happened so you could have the greatest opportunity in the whole world to do and be whatever you want, and of your own free will.
God Bless you all!
Your "next step" should be a good class in parenting.
Oh, by the way Joe, where did this happen?
I agree with Mardela, this "it offends me" stuff is rediculous. Has anyone ever considered the fact that because you are "offended" and now I can't excercise my freedom of speech offends me? You liberal lunatics have ruined this country. That is exactly the why "you" have a Muslim as you president ruining this country. You sick people are brainwashed. You might as well take an ounce of lead and end it for yourself. Here's your Kool Aide....
Art is all about perspective. Perhaps I would look at this student's work and see the Confederate flag, the ocean, and the words USA, and think of how the ocean symbolizes the separation of the Confederacy from the United States of America, purely in a historical context. And yes, a swastika could be appropriate for a student whose ancestors were persecuted or fought in WW II, especially if he or she grew up seeing pictures or hearing stories from grandparents. That symbol could very well represent something that is meaningful to the student.
I don't agree with the teacher's actions, and frankly I'm surprised that an art teacher would censor the expression of art, but I absolutely understand why it happened.
I applaud the fact that you want to stand up for what you believe is right, but I'm afraid your effort will fall on deaf ears. It sounds to me as if your son or daughter will learn more from you than he or she will ever learn in school.
Confederate flag is offensive? How? If YOU live in this country that flag is a part of YOUR history and contributed to YOU being where you are today!! The same crybabies who think this flag is wrong are the ones who would be scared to death to say something if it was a mexican flag, a malcolm x symbol, etc. Face it people, every single ONE of you has a little bit of southern redneck in them! Enjoy it, embrace it love it, get over it!
Personally, I think we'd all like to know who this teacher is.
11:46 so you would not be offended by public display of swastika on the street?
You think it is ok to display a noose in my front yard?
You would not find it offensive if I walked around wearing KKK outfit in middle school?
You probably feel different about each situation. It depends on the environment, so while having a swastika tatoo may be protected by the first amendment, dressing as a klan member in school is not.
That same teacher probably would not care if he saw a rebel flag sticker somewhere outside of school.
Typical left wing Union teacher you can't use a historical flag of the United States but you can make Jesus out of manure !
I hope that context and intention mean something in all of this. We're talking about a student doing an art project without trying to hurt someone and just trying to express something they liked. How is it that his rights and freedoms become less important than the perceived offended? These days almost anyone can be offended by just about anything.
So they cant use the Rebel flag in art class and you can NOT wear an AMERICAN flag to school on May 5th. What country is this?
"When I was a child growing up in Baltimore..."
that's all I needed to read.
if you look long enough and realy want to perhaps you can see something racial in the confedrate flag but only if you want to see racial... the confederate flag is a flag is a historical flag and shows southern pride not racial pride. during the civil war they would fly a flag over a battle field to signify who won the battle. the confedrate flag was used through wwII... ignorace is what we should be predudice against. that teacher is teaching her student to see racial..
The words " Confederate flag " is code for " White people " so when they say the Confederate flag offends me they really mean White people offend me.
I totally agree with Mardela! Couldn't have said it better!
The public schools are chocked full of these little nepolean marxists fascists.
It is quite ironic that the student enjoys more freedom of thought than the teacher.
The teacher is in a self imposed fascist mind prison.
Anonymous said...
The words " Confederate flag " is code for " White people " so when they say the Confederate flag offends me they really mean White people offend me.
3:23 PM
EXACTLY!!
And what is funny about that is most of the left wing liberal lunatics are white!! How soon they forget their own heritage because they are afraid to "offend" someone.
The flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, I mean Confederate Flag is something that my ancestors from Virginia fought under. I am not ashamed of this flag by no means and I don't see it as racist. I do see Black History month as racist because we don't have a White History Month. BET offends me because we don't have WET. People that call white people racist because they don't embrace Obama offends me. What the heck is this country coming to. Land of the Free, Home of the Brave! NOT!!
If we were free, then white people would be able to exercise there freedom of speach and display the Confederate flag. If we were the home of the brave then the liberals would have the balls to tell the whiners to pack sand and get over it. Unfortunately we are a socialist country!!!
I just totally have to agree with mardela on this. Art and History need to be expressed and remembered for out own future good. If this in any way stirs a thought in a person's mind that there were bad issues in our country's past and we can at all remember, study, and learn from these things, than the artist has accomplished his/her goal. To stir dissent only adds value to the art. God bless the artist; God spew on the dissenters!
Why are we so damn sensitive to everything all of a sudden?Everyone is offended by everything,we need to learn to be more tolerant of each other
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