FUGITIVE FATALLY WOUNDED DURING TRAFFIC STOP
(SALISBURY, MD) – A man armed with two handguns who was wanted by Delaware police was fatally wounded after police stopped the car he was in this afternoon in Wicomico County.
The man is not being identified at this time because his family has not yet been located and notified by police. He was a 25-year-old, whose last known address was in Wilmington, Delaware. He was wanted by the Wilmington (DE) Police Department on handgun charges.
A search for the fugitive began in the Wicomico County area after Maryland State Apprehension Team investigators were contacted by Wilmington Police Department officials on January 30, 2014. Wilmington officers reported the man was wanted for handgun violations.
Maryland State Apprehension Team (MSAT) investigators developed information that led them to conduct a surveillance this afternoon at a residence in Delmar. A person matching the description of the wanted man was seen getting into a car and being driven south on Rt. 13 into Salisbury. Investigators requested a uniformed trooper in a marked car stop the vehicle and identify the occupants.
Shortly before 4:30 p.m. today, a uniform trooper stopped the car on southbound Rt. 13 at Philadelphia Avenue. Investigators from MSAT were also on the scene observing the occupants. The uniform trooper contacted the female driver. The male passenger, later identified as the fugitive, was seen by police holding his face down, apparently trying to avoid being seen by the trooper.
The preliminary investigation indicates Officer Milton Rodriguez, an 18-year-veteran of the Salisbury Police Department and a member of MSAT, was part of the surveillance team and approached the passenger side of the car. The officer was wearing identification clearly identifying him as a police officer and was verbally identifying himself as he walked to the passenger side of the car and contacted the fugitive.
The investigation indicates Officer Rodriguez asked the fugitive for his name, at which time the fugitive put both hands in his jacket pockets. The officer gave verbal orders telling the man not to put his hands in his pockets. The fugitive refused and told the officer one of them was going to die. The preliminary investigation indicates the officer was in fear for his safety and pulled his weapon.
More than one shot was heard by police on the scene. At this time, investigators are not sure if the fugitive was wounded by a self-inflicted gunshot or by the police officer. Police found the fugitive had his hands clenched around revolvers in both jacket pockets. He was also in possession of suspected cocaine. Crime scene technicians continue to collect and process evidence from the scene.
Emergency medical personnel were summoned to the scene to treat the wounded man. He was taken to Peninsula Regional Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead shortly after 7:30 p.m. His body will be taken to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Baltimore for an autopsy. No one else was injured in the incident.
The Wicomico County State’s Attorney and Salisbury Police Chief Barbara Duncan responded to the scene. Chief Duncan requested the investigation be conducted by the Maryland State Police Homicide Unit, which regularly investigates police-involved shootings.
The investigation is continuing.
The man is not being identified at this time because his family has not yet been located and notified by police. He was a 25-year-old, whose last known address was in Wilmington, Delaware. He was wanted by the Wilmington (DE) Police Department on handgun charges.
A search for the fugitive began in the Wicomico County area after Maryland State Apprehension Team investigators were contacted by Wilmington Police Department officials on January 30, 2014. Wilmington officers reported the man was wanted for handgun violations.
Maryland State Apprehension Team (MSAT) investigators developed information that led them to conduct a surveillance this afternoon at a residence in Delmar. A person matching the description of the wanted man was seen getting into a car and being driven south on Rt. 13 into Salisbury. Investigators requested a uniformed trooper in a marked car stop the vehicle and identify the occupants.
Shortly before 4:30 p.m. today, a uniform trooper stopped the car on southbound Rt. 13 at Philadelphia Avenue. Investigators from MSAT were also on the scene observing the occupants. The uniform trooper contacted the female driver. The male passenger, later identified as the fugitive, was seen by police holding his face down, apparently trying to avoid being seen by the trooper.
The preliminary investigation indicates Officer Milton Rodriguez, an 18-year-veteran of the Salisbury Police Department and a member of MSAT, was part of the surveillance team and approached the passenger side of the car. The officer was wearing identification clearly identifying him as a police officer and was verbally identifying himself as he walked to the passenger side of the car and contacted the fugitive.
The investigation indicates Officer Rodriguez asked the fugitive for his name, at which time the fugitive put both hands in his jacket pockets. The officer gave verbal orders telling the man not to put his hands in his pockets. The fugitive refused and told the officer one of them was going to die. The preliminary investigation indicates the officer was in fear for his safety and pulled his weapon.
More than one shot was heard by police on the scene. At this time, investigators are not sure if the fugitive was wounded by a self-inflicted gunshot or by the police officer. Police found the fugitive had his hands clenched around revolvers in both jacket pockets. He was also in possession of suspected cocaine. Crime scene technicians continue to collect and process evidence from the scene.
Emergency medical personnel were summoned to the scene to treat the wounded man. He was taken to Peninsula Regional Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead shortly after 7:30 p.m. His body will be taken to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Baltimore for an autopsy. No one else was injured in the incident.
The Wicomico County State’s Attorney and Salisbury Police Chief Barbara Duncan responded to the scene. Chief Duncan requested the investigation be conducted by the Maryland State Police Homicide Unit, which regularly investigates police-involved shootings.
The investigation is continuing.
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119 comments:
Get buried...in da Bury!
Both hands in his pockets, not one drawn... and Killed???? Why couldn't he have been wounded? If this is multiple chest shots, or a head shot, it's is murder. Can't one of these officers shoot a suspect at point blank range in a shoulder? This officer should never be returned to duty. I'm sick of this. Fly a desk or something. Yes, the guy was a criminal. But, both hands in his pockets??? Seriously!!! Defending yourself doesn't mean people with their hands in their pockets need to be killed.
Good, one less problem with our tax dollars taking care of them in jail...
I see it was one of Salisbury's finest that handled this situation. Good man. appears the msp did their job too, a traffic stop!
I do not understand.
They identify him, at a residence, but allow him to get in a car, and then stop him? Why?
He was wanted on a warrant, they could have apprehended him right then and there at the home.
What was the point of waiting until he was a threat to the public?
The shooting happened when a member of the surveillance team approached the car. If he could approach the car, he could approach the home, or the car as it was sitting in the driveway. It implies that there was more than one person in the surveillance team.
Isn't it a fact that as a passenger in a vehicle if you are not being charged with a crime you do not need to identify yourself. My passengers have never had to produce ID if I was stopped for speeding.
So why would they use this illegal tactic to try and identify this person?
They put the public at risk.
If he had been apprehended at the home, there would have been less risk to the public.
Something is off here.
Police officer's just like our men and women in the armed services, don't wake up and look forward to taking another life. But....when they realize that at any given moment theirs can be taken without reason, it puts a different spin on "have a good day". The investigation will determine the cause and if the reaction was justified.....don't think it's normal to ride around in a car with a loaded hand gun in each coat pocket?
So investigators are unsure whether it was self inflicted or from the officer?? Am I missing something?
My thoughts and prayers go out to Officer Rodriguez that even though he was doing his job, the use of Deadly Force is something he will relive for the rest of his life. I wish to thank him for his service.
As for the 'perp".. everyone is now safer and better off that he is gone.
So those of you out there that want more and more gun control: don't you just know that the fugitive would not have had those two weapons if we had more gun control? Wake up or move to Colorado where you can smoke your weed legally and bask in the aroma of ignorance.
Were there kids in the home that prevented the officers trying apprehension at the home and they decided to go mobile? No need to jump to conclusions. As soon as he told the officer "one of us is going to die" is reason enough for me to know I'd have to be in a ready position.
If you read the article it says they were not 100% sure it was him at the house. I'm sure they got probable cause for the traffic stop, thus making it not illegal. Police officers are not trainedto shoot to wound they are trained to stop the threat. You all are so negative towards police officers on here. Let the iinvestigation run its course. Also if there is someone who is acting suspicious on a traffic stop like he was apparently trying to hide his face/ identity he should have been identified like he was.
There many important DETAILS missing from this story. Let's not jump to conclusions.
A bad guy is ALWAYS gonna have a gun....period. Get your head outta your ass.
Okay 7:16, he wouldn't have had illegal weapons if we had more gun control sure pal
Annie, there's only one or two on a stakeout. 15 would kind of give things away, D_A_ss. Also, when I put both hands in my jacket pockets and say "One of us is gonna die". you had better start shooting as fast as you can and enough times during the 3 minutes it's gonna take me to stop moving to keep me from shooting you.
Thank this officer for doing his job. It's not a pretty one.
7:31 are you for real?? OM Gosh.
They served a warrant to my house for someone that did not live there because they had the wrong address. So to state that they were unsure of his identity is bull and hilarious.
So they set up a bogus traffic stop and you have the audacity to say "I am sure they got probable cause, making it legal".
Please step away from the computer because people like you scare the crap out of me.
2:35 Get out of here, and please don't breed. The guy was a THREAT, officers are trained to STOP THE THREAT. Wounding solves nothing, as he could still fire his weapons with a wound shot.
7:43 there is no where in my post that states there were 15 on a stake out, I simply stated there was more than one, which would imply he had back up and if he could approach the car he could approach the house.
I see you have comprehension issues.
We won't even bother with your shoot and kill people theory.
7:31 Oh no! asking questions is negative, questioning authority is negative.
Just bury you heads in the sand sheeple. Do not question.
I have zero sympathy for someone who lives a high risk lifestyle, carries around weapons illegally, ignores a warrant out for his arrest and then fails to obey a cop when given an order. While I feel sorry that some kid decided to make bad choices that ultimately ended his life, he and only he is to blame. I will not second guess and am glad he is off the streets.
Thoughts and prayers are with Officer Rodriguez and the other personnel involved.
Officer Milton Rodriguez has ALWAYS been an excellent person both in and out of uniform. Milt or Coach Milty as quite a few of his past lacrosse players refer to him will acknowledge that he always held us to a higher standard and higher accountability because that is what he held himself to. This man is a great officer and needs to be commended for such. NO OFFICER wants to have the blood of another person on their hands, however it is part of their job. It is a risk that many of us do not and will not take. These folks put their lives and family lives on the line day in and day out. They do not need a bunch of sideliners criticizing their every move. Many of them are married but do not advertise it with wedding rings for fear that the junk on the street will go after their family. My heart goes out to the Rodriguez AND the deceased person's family because despite everything else someone's son is no longer with us. Yes he made bad life choices and those choices are what led to his fateful night, but at the end of the day we all will answer to God's judgement. As for how everything panned out? EVERYONE needs to not speculate and just let the reports show what they do. As for tighter gun control....gun control is and always will be for those law abiding citizens. Criminals will still possess guns illegally as they always have. I'm sure the 2 guns found on this young man are not registered or were stolen. Thank you to all the officers which handled this situation. Like I said it is sad that this man lost his life to the bad choices he made, but when you play in the devils playground you're going to get burned! It's only a matter of time.
I also think this is bogus.
They busted the house behind me, with a warrant for someone that wasn't even in it at the time.
The place was swarming with cops.
So why set up this quasi illegal tactic?
If they can ram my neighbors door down, to serve a warrant for a handgun fugitive, why could't they do the same with this guy?
Why put the public at risk?
7:56 nice rant.
I do not see where anyone is/was bashing Officer Rodriguez, specifically.
To the people who think he should of been injured instead of killed...grow up. That p.o.s. would shoot you right in your face for 20 dollars and not think twice about it. I don't want to live in a world with people like that. So the more the police kill the better off we all are.
AND...either his mom is a good person or a bad person, so if shes bad, she gets what she deserves and if shes good, shes been expecting this phone call for many years and can now move on with her life. Sad, but true.
You are an idiot! Shoot him in the shoulder?? The man was known to have weapons. He said "One of us is going to die". He put his hands in his jacket! OMG
If the MSP report is accurate and the suspect said what he is alleged to have said, and would not show his hands, I would have drawn and fired on him too. The things I have learned with regard to interaction with law enforcement:
1. Always keep your hands where they can be seen.
2.Avoid sudden movement.
3.Avoid any physical contact.
4.Be polite and cooperative, but firm.
5.Video record all interaction overtly. It is legal and keeps everyone honest.
6.Immediately document the interaction if you feel necessity.
7.Know the law, but do not tout your knowledge.
Cops can sometimes have a crappy job and they are or should be on high alert. Don't give them any reason and you should be fine.
I will pray for both families.
Not "ANONYMOUS"
if he had both hands on weapons he was planning to shoot someone or make it a suicide by cop. maybe the officer could not just wound him because the suspect might have been able to get some shots off.
I'm not understanding why anyone would question this. He was a fugitive with previous handgun violations. He was found with 2 concealed weapons. What was LE supposed to do? Wait around until he decided to cooperate? They were operating with the assumption that he was armed which turns out he was. To second guess is ludicrous given his previous history.
2:35 I guess the police should wait until he get shot and if he is alive he can shot him.
For what it's worth, AWESOME JOB OFFICER!
Americans are raised to understand right from wrong when it comes to Police. If an Officer says keep your hands out of your pockets, heck, we know not to even attempt to put our hands in our pockets, this means trouble.
Now, that being said, these Officer are TRAINED as PROFESSIONALS. I read this Officers HISTORY and he is a VETERAN.
This Officer went home to his FAMILY last night because he made the right call.
It said the guy said one of us was going to die, the police officer was cared for his life he wants to go home at the end of the day sounds like it was justified.
Now to the person who said why couldnt the officer shoot him in the shoulder, obviously that person has nver shot a gun police are trained to shoot center of mass then a head shot if the person is still a threat and when you are scared the heart is pumping and when you get tunnel vision you can be doing arm shots , leg shots etc sounds great for anti gun people but it cant be done . even that shooting in dc with the lady in the car was justified . even though people said why didnt they shoot the tires etc well only hollywood does that.
Annie Nonymous,
Was that your dealer they shot? Why are you such a law enforcement hater?
You spend too much time talking and not enough thinking.
Police are trained to stop the threat they are also trained to shoot center mass of the target given to them in a car that would be your head as an officer is position tactically at the window of the vehicle your head is the only clear shot. To everyone that says he should have been wounded he was the incident occurred at 4:30 he did did not die until 7:30. He was wounded for 4 hours and died due to his injuries.
2:35am...Ok..are you saying that if you were in the cop's position, and the dude with his hands in his pockets told you that one of you was going to die that you would wait and see who?-call it suicide by cop or whatever you want.the dude didn't mix words, and the cop did what he was suppose to do. I'm glad to see some people still have some damn common sense, and a survival instinct..seriously..if someone tells you that are you supposed to ask the dude which one is going to die? REALLY? Maybe the cop should have called in a psychologist and asked him about his childhood, and held his little hand and babied his ass, then let him plead insanity and get off, plea bargain, work the system because he "has rights"....well guess what..the cop has rights too..the right to friggin LIVE!-sounds like a good cop to me!
"shoot him in the shoulder, wound him" Yeah, you make perfect sense dumb ass. Annie, you are about the dumbest person on this site. Your comments are so off the wall, I hope you don't have kids or are around kids to pass along your stupidity. My god, after reading your comments on here and on previous posts, I feel 1,000 time smarter. It is people like you that keeps police officers employed!
I do have a question about this though. Is this considered another murder in Salisbury, statistic wise?
I mean NO disrespect towards the Officer, (obviously) but there is a death involved shooting here.
Yes it should be considered a "murder"...it was either the perk or the cop...someone was gonna die...just as he stated!
8:53 there is no indication that I hate any LE. Not once did I criticize the officers shooting the subject.
I questioned the tactic they used to capture the individual that put the public at risk and the potential illegal actions they took.
Sheeple, you and your ignorant comments contribute nothing to the conversation.
Talk about hate mongering.....
Get a freaking life, you small minded small town moron. And try to learn how to comprehend what is actually written.
8:53 looks like you are the one not thinking.
She has a valid point.
annie, you say "they" meaning the cops, put the public at risk...wrong...if this were a simple traffic stop like your situation, and the cop asked the passenger's their names, well, a simple answer would have been to tell the cop their names. this guy could have done that.."hello officer" would be what a normal law abiding citizen would say. A normal law abiding citizen with nothing to hide would have been confused as to why he was being stopped. A normal person would have asked if everything was ok. On the flip side, a CRIMINAL tells the cop that one of them is going to die and puts his hands in his jacket, and yes...he had guns....Why did they not apprehend him at the house? who knows? Does that make it ok for him to threaten someone because they approached him later? uhhh..no. Maybe they were waiting for permission or additional proof that this was the right guy, maybe something from headquarters with the go ahead to approach him. Nothing is off here. I ask you, could you have done a better job? If so, then go do it. If law enforcement isn't doing their job to your satisfaction then perhaps you should become a police officer yourself and show all of the others already there how it should be done. Basically shut the hell up unless you are going to take charge and do better. SUPPORT our officers-they are protecting your life and mine.
Remember the story of the 79 year old man who shot and killed a thug who was in the process of doing a home invasion. The thug was IN the old guy's home. Sister of the thug said it was murder because the home owner should have warned her brother better.
Wasn't there a trooper named Eddie who was shot in the face during a traffic stop near Princess Anne? He died.
TO YOU ARM CHAIR DETECTIVES, AND LEADER ANNIE PORNONYMOUS
The press release states it is an ongoing investigation. Unlike you fools, I take that to mean they need more time to piece together all the evidence. ( I expect all of this was taped). But you idiots always know what happened BEFORE you know the facts.
I especially love how the police should have gone to the house. Perhaps they did not consider that option as of all the bad publicity received in the past. Numerous times since Joe started this blog I have seen that headline on his postings. (I am not speaking of just Salisbury). Perhaps the POS left the house before the warrant could be issued. By the way these two scenarios are speculation, please don't repeat them as the truth.
Officer Rodriguez was in a hell of a situation and NO ONE knows what they would have done in the same situation. That is except the fools who think the officer should have politely asked the "the poor picked upon lad" to get out of the car, and when the POS said "one of us is going to die", the officer should have slowly pulled his gun, took careful aim and shot the POS in the shoulder.
Quite frankly, I hate for an officer to be placed in this situation, but it sure saves tax-payers a brick load of money.
Officer Rodriguez and his family are in my thoughts and prayers. As far as the other guy, his actions and deeds before his death are between he and his GOD.
It was not a simple traffic stop it was orchestrated.
Fool
9:33 the warrant was already issued, that negates your rant.
Joe, death certificate will have homicide as manner of death. Cause will be gunshot wound.
Joe, while manner of death is homicide that is different than murder.
annie..explain if you know so much..elaborate
Annie Nonymous,
If you want to be taken seriously don't resort to childish name calling; but go right ahead and keep throwing your little temper tantrums when someone calls you out, the rest of us will continue to see you for what you, an attention seeker with nothing intelligent to say.
anonymous 10:09 & 10:10, Thank You.
Annie Nonymous: Law enforcement officers are not taught to wound or to kill. They are taught to 'stop' the perpetrator. If they were taught to 'wound' what would happen when the perp died. Something tells me that with your 'logic' you don't have the mental ability to balance a check book.
ok annie, oh bright and intelligent one, who refers to us as "fools" then asks us not to resort to "childish name calling", Great and all knowing Annie, please please tell us how this was orchestrated since you have so much absolute knowledge....since we have nothing intelligent to say, please grace us with your wisdom and intelligence so that we can be as smart as you. Please show us the conspiracy behind this so that we may see what evil law enforcement exists in our county, and that we may stand beside YOU, as a law enforcement professional, who knows and understands all the innards of this operation..ooh wait, you never said that you were educated in law enforcement and the rules/code of conduct, etc did you? Please tell us how you ascertained such wisdom and knowledge.
@10:41
It sounds like you are replying to 10:15... which was not posted by Annie Nonymous but rather by someone addressing her and her rants. Now that is a little foolish heh.
I'm pretty sure the report we all just read states that it is unclear if subject shot himself or was shot by Rodriguez.
It's amazing to me that so many people just talk out their behind and sound like complete idiots.
I personally don't care how the p.o.s. died, just as long as I don't have to pay for him to sit on his butt in jail while I work mine off.
Orchestrated stop;
"A person matching the description of the wanted man was seen getting into a car and being driven south on Rt. 13 into Salisbury. Investigators requested a uniformed trooper in a marked car stop the vehicle and identify the occupants."
Maybe you fools should actually read the press release before commenting.
9:33 SAID "I especially love how the police should have gone to the house. Perhaps they did not consider that option as of all the bad publicity received in the past."
So they base their strategy on bad publicity?
If you had read the press release you would have noted.. they were at the house.
Read the press release before commenting.
Maybe there were children in the house.
There is a possibility that the LE that were watching the house were undercover and didn't jump the house and give away their identity, so they called in uniformed officers and a marked car. If you weren't there, you are wasting oxygen complaining. Questions are OK, bashing, save it.
oh dear annie..avoiding the question, eh?..signed the fool.."everybody plays the fool..sometimes.."
Annie- What exactly is the problem with what happened yesterday? It is unfortunate and ugly, but S*7T happens so what's your deal?
Not once did Annie question the shoot. But she had valid questions about the way they went about the arrest. Why wait to approach a criminal with guns in a public area, when they spotted him at a home in Delmar?
I do not see what the problem is with someone asking questions.
Most of your comments show that you did not even bother to read the article. And you criticize others for name calling when you do the exact same thing.
You look stupid arguing a point that she never even made.
Possibly it was undercover watching the house and didn't want to blow their cover.
who gives a rats @ss! I much rather see the police taking our scum like this and protecting the community than issuing seeding tickets! This is what the police should be doing more of around this ghetto!
you're watching too many movies moron...
Annie you are coming off as a cop hater and a POS lover. Which is your preference? Cop shoots a POS or POS kills cop(S) and others in the area were killed and wounded by gunfire. Sorry you have such a poor opinion of those I view as our heroes. I'll pray for you sweetie.
did the cop shoot him or what?
Evidence ....was the cops gun missing a bullet or NOT.
no it should be Suicide.
12;01 if he didnt want to blow his cover then why did he approach the car?
12:04 and you sound like a clueless moron.
12:18-did you read the press release? The undercover unit watching the residence, requested a uniformed officer in a marked car stop the vehicle after it left the residence. The undercovers didn't approach the car.
Bottom line, the suspect kept his hands in his pockets when told to take them out. That coupled with the statement that "someone is going to die" clearly justifies the Officer shooting him. What, was the Officer supposed to wait until the guy shot first? Police Officers (and bad guys) know that bullets can travel through clothes, it isn't necessary for the gun to be displayed.
Annie. I do read... The MSAT were doing surveillance (warrant-legal), and noted a "person matching the description" enter a car. Ok, stop right there... How are they supposed to put a team together to apprehend the "person matching the description" AT THE HOUSE, when he's getting into a car? That's when they asked for a uniform MST to stop said car, and attempt to identify the subject (legal). Should they have let him go at that point? Wait for him to go wherever, and have a standoff there? Should they have followed the car, knowing once they realize they're being tailed, a high speed pursuit could/would happen?
No, YOU STOP THE THREAT, and HE WAS A THREAT.
2:37 lol I think I heart u.
Hey clueless 1:16 learn to read
The preliminary investigation indicates Officer Milton Rodriguez, an 18-year-veteran of the Salisbury Police Department and a member of MSAT, was part of the surveillance team and approached the passenger side of the car.
I will type it slowly for you.
A MEMBER OF MSAT, WAS PART OF THE SURVEILLANCE TEAM AND APPROACHED THE PASSENGER SIDE OF THE CAR.
Apparently YOU did not read the article.
3:02 I can see a pattern with your poor choice of men in your life.
Oh poor Annie, harassed by the sheeple and small minded low info voters...
How dare you question authority, how dare you read and formulate a valid conclusion, how dare you think logically.
Just get in line, don't think for yourself or fight back for your rights.
Don't worry Annie, most of them couldn't find their way out of a paper bag, and most of them are too lazy to get off the couch and vote.
lol Don't I know it
Thanks, 237. And to add, it was all orchestrated. It had to be. there needed to be several authorities within a block of the traffic stop so all bases are covered. Trigger the stop, and while the occupants are busy showing license and registration, confirm identity on the face hiding passenger. you HAVE to be sure twice here. Then, during the distraction, the others are now parked and coming to fully cover the vehicle to make contact with the perp, I.D. again, here full face.
Well done! Now, the perp makes a bad decision. POP.
5:26 there was only one other cop there. Only in la la land.
5:26 that is such a crock. They called and asked a patrol cop to stop the car. There was no perimeter set up covering all their bases. They had no way of knowing exactly when the perp was leaving the house.
The article even states one cop.
Message to Annie----"surveillance team"-don't assume the whole team is undercover. Marked cars will be strategically placed around an area where surveillance is being conducted if a move is suspected or imminent. They are part of the team and are in uniform. When given the word they will pull over the vehicle, if necessary.
The criminal is dead. That does not mean the Cop had a license to kill him. A Cop worth his weight in #$%^ should be able to fire their weapon and striking someone without aiming at the head and chest. Especially, if they are close to the vehicle, which will come out in the investigation. Obviously, some of the LEO's on here attempting to bully people 1. don't know how to fire their own weapons efficiently, and obviously 2. have never been wounded by a 40. Agreed, most of them have not had TRUE military training to fire a weapon; most have never fired their weapons in "real life"; and 3. pull the "I feared for my life" card as much as Obama & Jackson pull out the race card. The criminal is dead. But being a Cop does not give a license to KILL. I'd be the first to say the LEO had no choice if he had a weapon pulled out and the LEO fired first to defend himself. But, that was NOT the case. Going home safe is not justification to KILL someone either. That card is getting old too. Maybe a significant number of LEO's have no business in law enforcement. BTW, why can't people ask questions WITHOUT being condemned by LEO's on this site??? Do LEO's believe they are GOD and above reproach or something?? The badge doesn't justify LEO's to do as they please or use bully tactics to justify their every action. The results are already in. The MSP (police) will defend the SPD (police). So, all of this discussion is a waste of time anyway.
6:10 if you actually read my questions I did not assume anything. I never implied anything about the "surveillance team" undercover or not.
I did not imply I knew anything, I did not criticize anything about the shoot or the officer involved.
I simply asked questions about the strategy involved.
I realize that most of the low info mental midgets on here are not capable of comprehending what was actually written. And get their rocks of putting words in peoples mouths and spouting off like imbeciles under anonymous.
But... that is not what happened according to the press release. Thank you for the info.
C'est la vie
Annie, Let me just say this. I, (for one) Thank You for coming here daily and sharing YOUR opinion. Like you don't always agree with me, I don't always agree with you.
HOWEVER, WE agree to disagree without personal attacks.
Moi? Personal attacks? Like 9:33 AM?
Annie, no disrespect but it is obvious you have no knowledge of police tactics. Plain clothed detectives conducted surveillance of the suspect residence. When the suspect exited the residence and got into the vehicle, the vehicle was tailed until a uniformed officer could conduct the traffic stop. This is done so that there can be no mistaken identity. Often these criminals are targeted by other criminals. Having a uniformed officer conduct the stop reduces the risk that the bad guy/target of this warrant will believe that he is being targeted by another bad guy. Bad guys are statistically less likely to engage an officer in uniform. Now about waiting for him to be in the car....Once the suspect is in the car and the car is stopped, his movement, and subsequently his ability to hide furtive movements toward weapons is extremely limited. These two tactics likely spared the lives of these officers. They did exactly as they were trained. Just because you don't see these tactics as valid doesn't mean they aren't sound. Someone once said "Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". It would serve you well to take heed. But it's whatever.
9:59 Maybe you should heed your own advice.
As lovely as your amateur explanation is it is still that amateur, and quite frankly ridiculous.
Yea lets follow the subject into a public area so if your little drama goes awry he/we can accidentally involve the innocent public. If we are lucky no one will get shot with stray bullets.
I mean we can simply walk up to the residence and serve our warrant in a more confined area, or drag him out in public...
Oh and no disrespect but it is obvious you have no knowledge of police work either.
An intelligent person would have realized that when I asked a question it meant I was seeking information. That would denote lack of information. Throwing insults to the obvious makes you look like a complete idiot, no disrespect and all.
9:59 no disrespect but it looks like you have no knowledge of police with either.
9:59 you should heed your own advice. Let's spare the officers lives but involve the public? No disrespect but that is stupid.
I agree with 9:59. If the undercover police wearing plain clothes approached the suspect at the house with guns drawn, the chances of a shootout in public are much higher. Call in a marked car to clearly identify police presence. Tactic worked nobody harmed, except the perp who didn't comply
I heave heard through the grapevine the suspect shot himself and the Officer shot at suspect thinking he was shooting at the Officer.
7:33 they have blue vests with large yellow letters on them that say police. Put it on. Now what is your theory?
Why not just ignore Annie Nonymous from now on? Shes just here to get her kicks from hurling insults and being a general troll.
You can buy fake cop vests anywhere, especially if you wanna rob a drug dealer
7:47 a lot like you?
@7:52,
Like who? It's an anonymous comment, could have been anyone. Let me guess, your Annie not using your account.
I have no reason not to use my account. Trolls like you do not bother or intimidate me.
anonymous.....that's original.
7:47, 8:21 shut up and go away, you are embarrassing yourself.
Did you post it yourself. Are you talking to yourself? You seem to consistently post under Anonymous yourself.
Annie Nonymous,
Right, sure you don't. The person who consistently resorts to name calling and insults calling everyone else trolls, that's classic.
@8:39, whose to say half these comments are not the same person ;)
Annie...please, back under your rock now!
Ohh a conspiracy theory! Just love a conspiracy theory.... get your tin foil hats out kiddies!
8:51 yes ANONYMOUS, who's to say that half these comments aren't YOU.
In fact you used the "troll" comment in your 7:47 post.
Like shooting ducks in a barrell.....
Why did it take 3 hours to get to the hospital? They contacted the vehicle at 4:30, he was pronounced dead at 7:30. Very odd.
9:55 he was still alive when he went to the hospital, he died several hours later. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d reading comprehension? I know, it requires a thought process.
10:14 - unfortunately the press release is not at all clear about that. Much of it is poorly written.
WTH is wrong with you people that you can not answer a persons questions politely.
This guy was arrested back in 2011
http://www.wilmingtonde.gov/docs/deleted_901/091911-092511.pdf
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9:55 I do apologize for my condescending reply to your question.
Annie,
Theres nothing that proves these are the same person or different people, whose to say half of them are not you just trying to stir up more arguements, you seem to enjoy the attention.
What a sad life you must have.
The only thing "Fowl" here is you!
10:58 , right and who's to say it isn't you. Goes both ways, huh. What's sad, are adults like you that get your kicks out of cyber bullying.
My life is fine. But you may want to take a good look at your own.
The only thing "foul" here is you.
(I imagine that's what you meant but with your low IQ, I am not surprised spelling is a challenge for you)
I have grown bored with your delusions... enjoy your bashing and bullying, show the world what Smallsbury is all about.
12:17
You are claiming others are cyber bullying? I have read some of your comments and I think you should take a look at the things you say and the way you treat people. You can't seem to have a decent discussion with anyone that disagrees with you without putting in a few digs to insult them. You think if you put others down it will make you feel or be better than others. That is not the case it must makes people think you are a pompous a**. This will be my first comment to you and my last. You are not worth wasting anymore time on because you will never change. You are a legend in your own mind.
12;26 thank you for your 5 cents worth of amateur psych evaluation.
You better keep your day job.
Glad that was your last comment, I don't know if I can handle laughing so hard that I nearly have an accident.
"The only thing "foul" here is you.
(I imagine that's what you meant but with your low IQ, I am not surprised spelling is a challenge for you)"
That was a play on your comment about shooting ducks in a barrel but in your rush to be as insulting as possible I can see why that would go over your head.
The only bully here is you and it seems like plenty have taken notice. I do have to applaud your effort at trying to play the victim, too bad no one bought it.
I have never judged Annie in any of my previous comments, however today, the last word comes to mind. It just keeps the poop pot stirred up.
Amateur explanation? No Annie. Career law enforcement with extensive tactical training. Simply walk up to the residence and serve our warrant? With no uniformed presence and no positive identification? Textbook no-no. Annie a residence is NOT a confined area. The passenger compartment of a car is much more confined with no where to hide. Again, it was handled properly. I am not questioning your intelligence - I am questioning your ability to intelligently criticize the officer with absolutely no experience in law enforcement tactics. But it's whatever.
3:31 if you actually read my first post I did not criticize anything I simply asked a question.
Silly me not to realize that making an inquiry would spur on a plethora of mean spirited hate filled accusations, false statements and a fury of words put into my comment that I never uttered. Including your false accusation that "I criticized the officer", which in fact I never once made any comment about the officer or the shoot.
In fact my first sentence was a rather clear question, I even used a question mark.
But it's whatever.
3:31 I find your statement to be misleading and inaccurate. They serve warrants, to homes, all the time without the swat team or uniformed presence in waiting. Instead of insulting and belittling people you may have taken this moment to explain that depending on the criminal, severity of charges, etc., that there are different ways of serving warrants, based on the situation.
4:41 I apologize if I seemed condescending but my statement is neither misleading nor inaccurate. 99% of ALL warrants are served by or with uniformed presence. I most certainly should have taken the time to explain that there are differences in the way warrants are served based upon the nature of the charges, the targets past criminal history, his/her propensity for violence, etc. But none of that matters for purposes of this incident. I did feel obligated to defend Milton Rodriguez from accusations made by people unqualified to judge his actions. Annie was critical of the actions of the officers. By her own admission - "I questioned the tactic they used to capture the individual that put the public at risk and the potential illegal actions they took." She criticized their actions without any working knowledge of police tactics. The actions taken by these officers were protocol developed intentionally to minimize the risk to the public. And Annie....you certainly did criticize the officers in your first post..."He was wanted on a warrant, they could have apprehended him right then and there at the home." That isn't a question that is a comment offering them what you perceived to be a better tactic. That is criticism. Plain and simple. Criticism made by an unqualified person. You would be just as qualified to criticize a surgeon for making horizontal incision rather than a vertical incision. The officers acted reasonably and prudently in light of the circumstances and Milton Rodriguez will be rightfully cleared. You can criticize it until you are blue in the face and it won't change the way law enforcement deals with dangerous criminals nor should it. But again, whatever. PS...I apologize if you were offended by my comments. I felt a little defensive for the sake of the involved officers.
there were questions and inquiries in her comment and no criticism. how you decided to interpret it is on you. inappropriate to twists someones word to suit your reply. ever think of asking for clarification before publicly and wrongfully condemning someone based on how you took it. not once did she outwardly criticize the officer. use anything to bash people and then justify it when you are wrong. i could pick your comment apart till i was blue in the fact to justify my opinion of how wrong you are too.
Yes I do question the tactic they used. Question, know what a question is? I know, how dare I inquire, how dare I ask. That to you is criticism, simply questioning, simply asking. Exactly my point above. How dare I ask to gain knowledge to further my understanding. How dare I.
You keep on picking it apart, putting a demeanor in there that doesn't exist, because that is what you do. Make stuff up that isn't there and tell me what I meant and how I feel.
So no I did not criticize the officer, but you can keep spewing that if it makes you feel better.
Anyone that says to shoot to wound or anything like that is an absolute idiot. Anything other than shooting center mass is a death warrant for the cop.
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