Yes we could thank France for their role in getting the colonies their separation from England, BUT...if you want to be technical...at this point in history, this country was not yet know as the UNITED STATE OF AMERICA! Huge difference!
Hey 3:23...know your history first! The was didn't end recognizing the colonies as independent until the Treaty of Paris in 1783! The Revolutionary war was considered a 'world' war involving Spain, and the Netherlands too...all the 'great' powers at the time! Not to mention the Articles of Confederation left the congress with no law making power over the staes that left them practically helpless as any sort of 'nation' until Constitutional Convention of 1787 drafted the CONSTIUTION which replaced the ARTICLES of CONFEDERATION - and this wasn't until 1789! The US was not true to form until the Constitution was adopted by the states! Check for yourself
Did we not save France's candy ass in the 2 big ones? A Frenchman sees a German, poops his pants, surrenders, and waits for an American hero to save him.
I know my history--does this sound familiar?: "We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
July 4, 1776.
I know all the Articles, I know the Constitution, blah, blah, blah, but from the moment these guys declared their independence, they were the United States, even though they had no real idea of what they were doing (whether Britan, France, or whoever acknowledged that). France, by the way, acknowledged this in 1777.
Don't be too hard on Robin. I read this person's comment with amusement. While they were correct after a fashion, they seemed to be observing from a fog, with no relation to the reality of the world at that period, I think the youger generation would do well to lay off mind clouding drugs when trying to analyze history, and be able to do more than just give dates. I'm thankful that some, like you, have a genuine UNDERSTANDING of history.
anon 12:48 said, "OMG you all on this post are the biggest nerds I've ever read."
Thank You! Actually, the biggest nerd is Bill Gates. But being called a nerd implies that one actually knows some things other than how to smoke crack, get drunk and vote for Obama!
Have you considered that simply by reading these comments you may be a N.I.D.S. (nerd in develomental stage)?
Now go to your room and smoke your crack, get drunk and vote for Obama! Then grow up and decide if you have the intellectual capacity and desire to join our membership of nerds!
Final Frontier, I have done battle with you before and found you to be my intellectual superior. As such, I lay olive branches at your feet and wish no battle of wits in which I would be but half prepared. As a fan of Einstein’s universe, for, surely, if the universe is God’s word revealed, Einstein would be my high priest, I ask you the meaning of your chosen moniker, Final Frontier. Can there be such a thing, or is there always a new frontier?
I humble myself before your kind words, my friend. We have done battle many a time, and it is always fun because you actually know what you are talking about, even when we disagree! Alas, there is no deep meaning to the name--it actually began as a way to make fun of one of my friends who is a Star Trek nerd (me, just a history nerd who loves to quote the Declaration). I look forward to tussling with you some more.
F.F. I'm not use to losing, at least to the degree that I'm willing to admit defeat:)Our previous exchange got heated and intense. You were delightfully vicious and completely eviscerated me. You did battle so perfectly! I only had one complaint: after you had conquered, you felt sorry for me and tried to make me feel better. You won fair and square and deserved to enjoy your conquest. I would do battle with you again with the same trepidation Mike Spinks showed when he stepped into the ring with Mike Tyson:) When someone fairly beats me, I don't hate them, I'm their friend for life. Thanks for your response, and have a nice weekend. T.A.L.
FF, Have we done battle in the recent past? The battle to which I made reference was about 2 years ago. I never forgot my ass whipping, and never ceased to admire you for administering it.
I, too, am a history nerd, well, really just a nerd. Jefferson and the Declaration are among my favorite topics. I find, on a transcendent level, it is impossible for me to separate the Declaration from the Gettysburg Address, as the former stated the yet unrealized ideals of the new nation, and the latter was a major milestone in the advancement of those ideals.
How do you and I love the same history and documents yet disagree so fundamentally and often?
If you honor me by choosing me as an adversary in written combat, please identify yourself, so I do my best & show proper respect to a more than worthy friend and foe, TAL
to thomas augustus littleton...just becuase someone knows there dates reviews history from a different perspective doesn't mean their minds are clouded with mind altering anything....you are no more than a pompous prick with your nose so far up in the air you only think you have the right...where you were probably the last picked for kick ball since the time you were able to waddle! Keep trying to strive to act like you can rub shoulders with the likes of Gates...you fake! It takes a true idiot to say things so stupid about another persons opinion with such harsh words if only they are a coward and cruel at heart to begin with...rot in hell. A true intellect can debate...you can only call someone a druggie. You are nothing but a wanna be. Go try to read a big book. Try. I hope you strive in life and get knocked down at every turn. Or is that just the problem? You never got a fair shake in your point of view so you hide behind some name and belittle people to try to uplift yourself. You are no better than all the people that have obviously picked on you your entire life. I hope they continue to do it, you deserve it.
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Some of those countries are quite a stretch to be considered "free" like we are here in the US.
Wow--this poster displays a real lack of historical knowledge! How about this poster:
"America free, thanks to the French!"
It would be more historically accurate than a lot of this (Am Revolution).
Anonymous said...
Wow--this poster displays a real lack of historical knowledge! How about this poster:
"America free, thanks to the French!"
KUDOS!
Isn't Bill Duvall French? Hmmmmmmmm?
I'm glad you left Georgia off the list.
I'm not Bill D, just a history geek.
The sign should read "another country TERRORIZED because of the United States."
Yes we could thank France for their role in getting the colonies their separation from England, BUT...if you want to be technical...at this point in history, this country was not yet know as the UNITED STATE OF AMERICA! Huge difference!
yea like the Russians are setting the Georgians free right now
and we always accused the Russians of propaganda......US propaganda at its best
2:07,
France saved the U.S in 1781. The U.S became the U.S in 1776.
Hey 3:23...know your history first! The was didn't end recognizing the colonies as independent until the Treaty of Paris in 1783! The Revolutionary war was considered a 'world' war involving Spain, and the Netherlands too...all the 'great' powers at the time! Not to mention the Articles of Confederation left the congress with no law making power over the staes that left them practically helpless as any sort of 'nation' until Constitutional Convention of 1787 drafted the CONSTIUTION which replaced the ARTICLES of CONFEDERATION - and this wasn't until 1789! The US was not true to form until the Constitution was adopted by the states! Check for yourself
Did we not save France's candy ass in the 2 big ones? A Frenchman sees a German, poops his pants, surrenders, and waits for an American hero to save him.
Hey the French aren't all bad.....they DID give us Grand Marnier LOL and a pretty statue!
The sign should read ANOTHER COUNTRY FULL OF HATRED!! With no thanks to the United States.
Hey Robin,
I know my history--does this sound familiar?:
"We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor."
July 4, 1776.
I know all the Articles, I know the Constitution, blah, blah, blah, but from the moment these guys declared their independence, they were the United States, even though they had no real idea of what they were doing (whether Britan, France, or whoever acknowledged that). France, by the way, acknowledged this in 1777.
Annon 11:06
Don't be too hard on Robin. I read this person's comment with amusement. While they were correct after a fashion, they seemed to be observing from a fog, with no relation to the reality of the world at that period, I think the youger generation would do well to lay off mind clouding drugs when trying to analyze history, and be able to do more than just give dates.
I'm thankful that some, like you, have a genuine UNDERSTANDING of history.
OMG you all on this post are the biggest nerds I've ever read.
blutojthetotmom said...
"Hey the French aren't all bad.....they DID give us Grand Marnier LOL and a pretty statue!"
And thanks to Napolean's dumb war-mongering ass, half our counrty(Lousiana Purchase that is. Thanks Thomas Jefferson!)
anon 12:48 said,
"OMG you all on this post are the biggest nerds I've ever read."
Thank You! Actually, the biggest nerd is Bill Gates. But being called a nerd implies that one actually knows some things other than how to smoke crack, get drunk and vote for Obama!
Have you considered that simply by reading these comments you may be a N.I.D.S. (nerd in develomental stage)?
Now go to your room and smoke your crack, get drunk and vote for Obama! Then grow up and decide if you have the intellectual capacity and desire to join our membership of nerds!
I embrace my nerdiness!!! History geeks unite.
Final Frontier
Final Frontier,
I have done battle with you before and found you to be my intellectual superior. As such, I lay olive branches at your feet and wish no battle of wits in which I would be but half prepared.
As a fan of Einstein’s universe, for, surely, if the universe is God’s word revealed, Einstein would be my high priest, I ask you the meaning of your chosen moniker, Final Frontier. Can there be such a thing, or is there always a new frontier?
Thomas Augustus Littleton
Mr Littleton,
I humble myself before your kind words, my friend. We have done battle many a time, and it is always fun because you actually know what you are talking about, even when we disagree! Alas, there is no deep meaning to the name--it actually began as a way to make fun of one of my friends who is a Star Trek nerd (me, just a history nerd who loves to quote the Declaration). I look forward to tussling with you some more.
FF
F.F.
I'm not use to losing, at least to the degree that I'm willing to admit defeat:)Our previous exchange got heated and intense. You were delightfully vicious and completely eviscerated
me. You did battle so perfectly! I only had one complaint: after you had conquered, you felt sorry for me and tried to make me feel better. You won fair and square and deserved to enjoy your conquest. I would do battle with you again with the same trepidation Mike Spinks showed when he stepped into the ring with Mike Tyson:)
When someone fairly beats me, I don't hate them, I'm their friend for life.
Thanks for your response, and have a nice weekend.
T.A.L.
FF,
Have we done battle in the recent past? The battle to which I made reference was about 2 years ago. I never forgot my ass whipping, and never ceased to admire you for administering it.
I, too, am a history nerd, well, really just a nerd.
Jefferson and the Declaration are among my favorite topics. I find, on a transcendent level, it is impossible for me to separate the Declaration from the Gettysburg Address, as the former stated the yet unrealized ideals of the new nation, and the latter was a major milestone in the advancement of those ideals.
How do you and I love the same history and documents yet disagree so fundamentally and often?
If you honor me by choosing me as an adversary in written combat, please identify yourself, so I do my best & show proper respect to a more than worthy friend and foe,
TAL
to thomas augustus littleton...just becuase someone knows there dates reviews history from a different perspective doesn't mean their minds are clouded with mind altering anything....you are no more than a pompous prick with your nose so far up in the air you only think you have the right...where you were probably the last picked for kick ball since the time you were able to waddle! Keep trying to strive to act like you can rub shoulders with the likes of Gates...you fake! It takes a true idiot to say things so stupid about another persons opinion with such harsh words if only they are a coward and cruel at heart to begin with...rot in hell. A true intellect can debate...you can only call someone a druggie. You are nothing but a wanna be. Go try to read a big book. Try. I hope you strive in life and get knocked down at every turn. Or is that just the problem? You never got a fair shake in your point of view so you hide behind some name and belittle people to try to uplift yourself. You are no better than all the people that have obviously picked on you your entire life. I hope they continue to do it, you deserve it.
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