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Sunday, September 07, 2014

Salisbury Police Officers Report On SU Students





43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Mr. Rommel filed the complaint on September 3rd, after not receiving a response from Salisbury PD, The City, or Mayor Jim Ireton.

The Mayor maintains that his office and the Police Department still have until September 12th to respond, and in the meantime, they are following city protocol. "What we're looking at are the tapes. We're working with the police department…we're going through all our procedures with this officer. Going through everything that happened that evening, including surveillance cameras that show us it may be a different story than what we're hearing," Ireton said.

What you are hearing from who? The officer or the arrested?

Anonymous said...

??? what ever happened to respect? If it is after City "noise" curfew and there is someone, whether it be college students or other, the police ask you to leave the area, LEAVE THE AREA!!! What part of that don't people understand? Now arguing with the police officer, how did that work for ya? yeah, he went home and you went to jail. Quit being so stupid and just do what is right. And please, be respectful while doing it. You and your parents should be ashamed!

Anonymous said...

Thanks , for maintaining order , bravo to the police.
Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Let's see, col Barkley just retired, another captain just announced he was retiring, sounds like command staff is heading out the door before Duncan's antics get them all sued or in federal prison

Anonymous said...

That means Kolb - Webster's and Duncan's boy - will be promoted very quickly. Hope SPD is ready.

Unless of course Lee Stevens needs a change from the Sheriff's Department

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
??? what ever happened to respect? If it is after City "noise" curfew and there is someone, whether it be college students or other, the police ask you to leave the area, LEAVE THE AREA!!! What part of that don't people understand? Now arguing with the police officer, how did that work for ya? yeah, he went home and you went to jail. Quit being so stupid and just do what is right. And please, be respectful while doing it. You and your parents should be ashamed!

September 5, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Remind me what time of evening this was again, I'm really not sure. Regardless, to my understanding the police were there to break up another fight and in the process, clearing out the crowd.

The video, audible or not, shows people leaving the area. It also shows a cop running across the street to grab someone by the arm and eventually arresting him.

NO one is required by any law to be respectful to police that I know of. Everyone on this earth gets disrespected on a daily basis, why do cops feel they should be special?

But back to my point. If the police were there to break up a fight, that was in a different location than this crowd, why did this 'officer' feel the need to leave the scene of the alleged fight, run across a city street and arrest someone that had left the scene?

Was he involved with the fight? Did he break some other law? ( and I don't mean disobeying any lawful order as suggested by this 'officer' since that is still suspect).

It seems to me that this cop went out of his way to escalate an entirely different scenario that what the police were first responding to. Granted, that is speculation since we don't know why this cop chased him and arrested him, other than some supposed loud 'noise' but I suspect more so since the person ignored the cops' questionable order to stop.

On the surface, it seems this cop got butthurt that someone had the AUDACITY to not kneel and lick his jack boots.

Sorry Joe, I'm getting harsh again.

I have seen the video of this guys lawyer state that no one has a legal right to stop anyone, including the police, unless they are doing something illegal. Maybe this lawyer does not know about any 'noise' ordinance or believes they was no violation of it, if in fact it exists and was in force.

I will be curious to see how all this gets played out.

Anonymous said...

Would you work for this stupid city any longer then you had to. Both sides of the coin is tales in more ways then one.

USTASC said...

I have read the statement of probable cause. Unless I missed something vital in its account vs. what was recorded, I don't see any errors in this report. The report is written well, it is concise, and appears to be what occurred during the videotaped encounter. The report is a textbook example of a well written statement of probable cause for a disorderly conduct and/or obstructing and hindering charge.

I am unsure of what the federal lawsuit alleges but, on the surface, I did not see any police misconduct or misuse of force.

Evan Avnet
Tactical American Security Consulting, LLC.

Anonymous said...

That kop was sceered

Anonymous said...

The police cant tell people to go home. There was no disturbance. There was no injury until they assaulted the student.

Anonymous said...

According to statement of charges, officer did his job. Video supports the report. Drunk only makes people stupid.

Anonymous said...

yeah right the bury heroin dealers are filming themselves hanging out waving auto weapons and talking about committing crimes, What have the spd done about them? Oh that's tight these kids can pay the fines and won't cost the state money to hold them! total BS!

Anonymous said...

You might have something there. That one sentence looks like it needed a coma.

Anonymous said...

4:48 it is not a residential area, therefore I doubt they were disturbing anyone

5:31 really - from what I could see the cop brought it on himself by being thin skinned. The dude was walking away, the cop should have also. Over reaction on the cops part, as usual. The cop escalated the situation unnecessarily.

Anonymous said...

6:15 Don't forget to mention your prior occupation as a SPD and WCSD officer. There are so many laws now it's easy to arrest someone for anything. But actions like this are the type to lead to riots and the lack of respect for the police that now prevails in this country. This Officer needs to be disciplined for his lack of control.

USTASC said...

615. Well that's certainly your opinion and you are entitled to it via our 1st amendment. That is what makes America a great place to live. However, employment aside, I don't necessarily automatically side with the police. I have met police officers whom I did not particularly care for nor agreed with their actions on various situations. I have had a negative interaction with an officer as well. But, I don't see that as the case here. To quote a great philosopher of our time, Cris Rock, "laws were written for s reason, think of them as hints". If you disagree with the ways the laws are written, the recourse is to write your state legislature and request or lobby for them to be changed. That is our democratic process, for better or for worse.

Evan Avnet

Anonymous said...

It's interesting to note that Luke Rommel teaches part-time at SU in the Perdue School of. Business.

Anonymous said...

Get a call for a fight. Get there and no fight, leave. We are not dictators , we are police officers. Our job is to serve the citizens. IF you can't handle a crowd of 30 or 40 college kids ,without arresting someone who is drunk, you don't need to be working in a college town.

Now 2 or 3 young people are charged, for something that appears to of been provoked by a police officer. Regardless of the out come this will affect there entire lives.

I worked in a college town for 30 years, I am glad we were properly trained and did not get into these situations. Nobody on the my shift would of ever charged someone for some stupid little incident like this.

Anonymous said...

Thank you to the officers. Situations like this where drunken young people significantly outnumber police can be very dangerous for the officers. I seem to recall that the Monkey Barrel has drawn it's share of trouble including some gunfire? The crowd did need to move on from what I can see. Maybe SU needs to impose a curfew for its enroled students. Also, for those who have forgotten the tragedies that can occur with young people and drinking, RIP Danny Ball. No disrespect intended, rather a reminder of why this behavior by students should be of concern to our community and parents.

Anonymous said...

This crap was in May???? Get over it and move on. Listen to the police when they give you direction and this won't happen, mouth off and see the concrete upclose...

Tina said...

OK from what I saw on the tapes, it is completely different than what is stated on the report. The boy was walking away. So what if he yelled at the cop. He and his friends were leaving. The cop had an ego and wanted to show his power. If there were really that many people and they could control them they should have waited for back up before running up and snatching the boy back.

Anonymous said...

Blogger USTASC said...
I have read the statement of probable cause. Unless I missed something vital in its account vs. what was recorded, I don't see any errors in this report. The report is written well, it is concise, and appears to be what occurred during the videotaped encounter. The report is a textbook example of a well written statement of probable cause for a disorderly conduct and/or obstructing and hindering charge.

I am unsure of what the federal lawsuit alleges but, on the surface, I did not see any police misconduct or misuse of force.

Well the Mayor has publicly said there is a discrepancy between what the 'video' shows and what he is hearing from others.

I am not sure yet which 'others' he is referring, and I am assuming by 'video' he is referring to the street cameras rather than the cell phone video.

Something doesn't seem quite right to me with the whole cops' version.

And there is something about you that doesn't seem right to me. Your 'name' was established in January of this year but this is the first time I have seen you on here. I'm not sure if you're real or fake. But like everyone else, I take what you say with a grain of salt.

You could have been brought in to sway public opinion, but that's just wild speculation.

Joe may like you using 'your name', but that holds no more credibility to me than any other anonymous out there. Not to be mean, just saying.

Regardless, there is more to this story than we know at present. Cops ARE allowed to lie to suspects, and it would not be the first (dozen) times police have lied in a report or even in a court room, so take that with a grain of salt too. Their buddies will and have, lie too to back them up, and since they are usually always given the benefit of the doubt, sometimes the truth isn't the truth.

I hope for this cops sake, and the city's, he had more of a reason to run across a street to arrest someone for something a little more substantial than being 'loud', if that is even the real reason.

I hate to think what would have happened if this cop did this in another part of town.

Sheriff Lewis might have had a reason to deploy his new toy.

Anonymous said...

Maybe SU needs to impose a curfew for its enroled students.

Well that's just silly and I doubt it would fly, or be effective, or even legal.

Anonymous said...

Very well done officer Aita.
You are a fine young man serving our community that desperately needs your service.
Don't lose a minute of sleep from this.

Anonymous said...

Excellent, well written Statement of PC.

Anonymous said...

Stupid comment 6:22. If the "kop" was" sceered" he wouldn't be doing his job. Right?

Anonymous said...

I attended college in the South. The deputies there will lump you arse up. I am just saying if you want to drink like a man then act like a man. Many college towns it is a violation of the law just to walk down the street in a drunken state. They say the arrest is to ensure your safety lol. Sorry S.U. love you guys but you grabbed the bull. The bull grabbed back. Grow up and at least act like you did make it out of high school.

I will say you will not see older cops getting into this kind of petty b.s. This young cop did nothing illegal I can see. He just needs to settle down. I vote keep him on the job we need him out there. I see a bunch of drunk kids out numbering the police five to one. The cops removed the main instigators. Oh well Joe we will see how this plays out in court.

To the police in this town keep up the good work. Why is Salisbury called a city anyway ?? It is a town at best.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
This crap was in May???? Get over it and move on. Listen to the police when they give you direction and this won't happen, mouth off and see the concrete upclose...

September 5, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Another example of who should NOT be a cop.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Stupid comment 6:22. If the "kop" was" sceered" he wouldn't be doing his job. Right?

September 5, 2014 at 10:32 PM

They are skeered all/most of the time. That's why pets and people get shot for just looking at them. Their man-card is hereby revoked. Go work at Dunkin and you can be near your heros.

Anonymous said...

8:35 you are not a police officer. "Now 2 or 3 young people are charged, for something that appears to of been provoked by a police officer. Regardless of the out come this will affect there entire lives." A police officer would have readily recognized that the only information you have is from the video. There is too much that you CAN'T see to argue the officers were wrong. You above all people would know you cannot second guess the actions of an officer if you weren't there based upon what extremely little you can tell with these videos. You will see that this case will be adjudicated in favor of the officers involved and the students will be convicted. Absent any other evidence it must be presumed that the officers acted reasonably and objectively in light of the circumstances. YOU above all people would know that the thin blue line of which we speak refers to the line that exists between the good law abiding citizens and those who commit crimes against the people. Your statements serve to erode that line. When the line has been eroded to the point that the barrier between the good and the bad no longer exists, you are left with anarchy. I'm not saying that bad cops don't do bad things. I'm saying that there is no evidence that this is the case here. Nothing more than the rants of alcohol abusing college students who seem to believe they have a law degree and a complete understanding of the first ten amendments to the constitution. These rants carry no more weight than to rally others to their cause who have even less knowledge of what really happened that night. The blind leading the blind. And as a police you would have recognized that it was the actions of the students that will affect them for the rest of their lives. They are responsible for their choices and they don't like being held accountable.

Anonymous said...

It’s become abundantly clear in the past few weeks that the press and the public have very little real understanding of police work. And something we’ve learned over the years is that during times of stress and tension, a good chuckle is extremely effective medicine.

So, here are some things most people don’t know but cops do. Add your observations in the comments area below.

1. Most cops understand why tickets are necessary, but don’t particularly like writing them. Well, unless they happen to stop “the guy who pays their wages” and then writing a ticket isn’t so bad.

2. The vast majority cops have never shot anyone, but most cops can recite a detailed list of people who are/were deserving of being shot because they posed a deadly threat. This means that most cops have successfully defused a potentially deadly confrontation using only words and less-lethal weapons.

3. Most cops wonder if they have something better to do until the person asks in that whiny voice, “Don’t you have anything better to do?” It is then — and only then — the cop knows the answer to that question is, “No. This is good as it gets.”

4. Most cops know the driver they just stopped had more that “two beers” and can estimate with reasonable accuracy how many beers a driver did, in fact, have.

5. Most cops like donuts, but so does everybody. They are deliberately made to taste really, really good so people will want to eat them. Please pass me another donut.

6. Most cops wonder why so many members of the community choose to pick up a mobile phone and record them while the officers are rolling in the dirt with an assailant rather than offering to help the officer.

7. Most cops don’t know the color of the people they stop before the traffic stop takes place. This is especially true when those people are driving cars with tinted windows at night.

8. Most cops know that if you fix that muffler / tail light / other mechanical issue for which they’ve stopped you, the cops will stop stopping you.

9. Most cops know it is impossible stop a squad car fast enough when the drunk in the back seat says, “Stop! I think I’ve got to puke.”

10. Most cops know that the national media do not pursue the truth, they pursue a story. Their story and the truth are too often a little like fraternal twins. They are related, but cops can’t explain why they don’t look anything alike.

Anonymous said...

Every year these kids cause more trouble with drinking and drugs. UMES has the same problem except much more.
I think they should move SU and UMES to the Middle East . Get a good education in morals and ethics.

Anonymous said...

This forward negative momentum won't change a thing.It still is what it is.

Anonymous said...

4:13 AM, nice.

Anonymous said...

last week we had a LOOKOUT on our sidewalk on a corner. while 50 kids tried to avoid the police one block down with lights flashing. (breaking up a group on neighbors lawn.)He admittedly was the lookout. When I asked him to move along, he said "you can't make me." I said yes, I can. He said it "isn't your sidewalk." I said yes it is & you're only allowed to walk on it. You're NOT walking, move along. Finally he left, but only after I raised the phone to call police.
I don't care much for these punks! They seem to feel as though they run things. I'm not sure they don't.

Anonymous said...

#10 spot on.

Anonymous said...

College kids have a sense of entitlement...as do most young people today. They particularly "feel their oats" at the beginning and end of the year. They don't own the streets nor can they do whatever they want whenever they want. It is interesting that so many people blame the police when anyone who lives near the college can tell you incident after incident of disrespectful college students, loud noise and more. With that said, I believe the police and officials are trying to find a balance between keeping the peace and allowing the students to blow off steam. It is a slippery slope and we, the public, shouldn't be so judgmental. Police have to make split second decisions when they feel a situation is escalating or has the potential to escalate. I wouldn't want to do their job and my guess is most of those making comments wouldn't want to either. It is not our place to judge.

Anonymous said...

Leave it to the police to have use more force then nessecery

Anonymous said...

8:35 AM

You legally cannot make anyone move along. You're lucky you didn't get punched in the nose.

Anonymous said...

8:35 AM

Oh, and btw, it is NOT your sidewalk. You may be required to clear snow and debris off of it, maybe ever repair it, but it belongs to the city. Call and ask them if you don't believe.

Anonymous said...

yeah and learn how to hack off heads, fool.

Anonymous said...

Oh but it is MY sidewalk. Bought, paid for by me. Taxes on it paid by me. Yes, I have to maintain it. The city has a right of way for the public but does not own it. & Yes I can legally make someone move along. It's called loitering & it is a misdemeanor.
8:35

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh but it is MY sidewalk. Bought, paid for by me. Taxes on it paid by me. Yes, I have to maintain it. The city has a right of way for the public but does not own it. & Yes I can legally make someone move along. It's called loitering & it is a misdemeanor.
8:35

September 8, 2014 at 5:21 AM

I am afraid you are wrong. And no, you cannot make anyone move along legally, even if you're a cop. And unless it is posted, no one is loitering. And it doesn't matter which level 'crime' it is.

You better consult with a lawyer before you get yourself into trouble.