Lorenzo Cropper has all of the requirements for Captain and then some. He is a Certified Fire Officer IV and only Fire Officer II is required. He has been a Lieutenant for 3 yrs and the job description say at least 2 yrs as a Lieutenant. He is a Fire Instructor III and the only requirement is Fire Instructor I.
Larry Dodd has a Fire Officer IV and every class and certification one would need and then some. He also has a Bachelors Degree as well as a Masters Degree. No one in the Fire Department has that. The Chief and Gordy have no college what so ever. I believe Rick Hoppes got his Associates Degree after he got promoted to Deputy Fire Chief.
If a captain requires an Associates Degree, wouldn't you think the Chief or the Dep. Chief should have a higher degree? At least Chief Brezler had a Masters Degree when he was the Fire Chief. Even Chief Webster has a Masters Degree which is a requirement in many Police Departments.
Look at the job ads for Fire Chief in Fire Chief Magazine
I hope this information satisfies everyone's questions referencing qualifications.
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37 comments:
Here's the thing, they are not "firemen." The reason the promotions were made the way they were was not " the good old boy system" but choosing the best for the job. The gentlemen chosen have the respect of the men they work with, are tried and tested firemen, and are full of a "go get 'em" attitude.
Those who did not get promoted only have themselves to blame.
I hate to stoop to this level...but what about work ethics? Clean records for all? No problems? Nothing with organization, as mentioned before? No major mistakes? Again, I see no proof as to why these two did not get promoted...just the supposed race factor and political stance. Are you certain these are the only reasons?
Yes, Karen, I'm certain. You know as well as I, none of us have access to their personnel files, therefore no one can deliver that information of a perfect record and so forth. Are you telling me you really don't know Dodd and Cropper?
If only some of these Fire Fighters were MAN enough to use their real names. Just look at the pussy above using words like, "The gentlemen chosen have the respect of the men they work with, are tried and tested firemen, and are full of a "go get 'em" attitude."
WTF do you know about tried and tested? My guess, (again) is that these are the words of Gordy and or See covering their asses by using anonymous. The two of YOU aren't TRIED & TESTED! Just a couple of grown men who can't wait for community showers to be installed in the new Fire Department.
I don't know them. But, you've made my point. You know them, you like them, you respect them, etc. I know Mr. Scott. I know him, I like him, I respect him. If you met Mr. Scott, you'd like him too as I am sure I would like Dodd and Cropper. As outsiders, we cannot base our opinions on why or why not one is promoted without knowing more. That is all I am trying to say.
Touche with Dodd. With Cropper, the real smoking gun here, where's his college credentials? Look, nobody's saying that LC isn't a decent guy. The problem I see is him and Dodd were both EMS Gods..and good ones. They have little suppression experience. LC's downfall came at the training center. If that's what he's capable of, it's no wonder he got passed over, black or white.
I say if the Master of Cutoff Shirts and Backwards Ballcaps is fit to be one of the Duty Chiefs, Crop's good enough to be a Captain...just my .02
Joe A, if you want another SFD scoop, ask why the 4th Batt Duty Chief is directly supervising his live in girlfriend. How objective is that? My what a tangled web we have here!!!
Here's a big thing, Joe how does this, or any other Fire Department issue affect you? Are you their legal advisor? Are you the county Fire Executive? Do you even know anything about the Fire Service?
The only reason you are sticking your nose in this is because you haven't got anything good on the mayor or SPD Chief, so it's back to your go to stomping grounds: the Fire Service.
You, sir, are a waste of space and oxygen.
I believe Rick Hoppes got his Associates Degree after he got promoted to Deputy Fire Chief. - Joe Albero
I'm sure Rick does have the necessary collegiate background. But before you "believe" something and print it, how about verifying it instead of relying on your mole to provide the info.
Another satisfied customer. LOL
Firefighting can't be taught in any college.
Go easy with the name calling Joe.
Crop and Dodd's being passed over could be strategic not prejudice. Dodd is the Inspections Lt. and Crop is the training Lt. So that's two more positions that would have to be filled and new personnel trained. Maybe just maybe those two are priceless to the department as they are assigned now. They could have screwed themselves by being too good at what they do. But that's right you only see black and white, there is no grey.
How and the hell are you certain about anything. If no one can get the personnel files, including you, then this is just another case of Joe shooting his diarrhea of the mouth into a bucket and stirring it with the hard-on he has for this department.
So stick to the mayor, chief and their politics. Cause everytime you try stirring up shit like this you wind up with it smeared all over your face. Come on out and do what we do. Your "pussy" ass wouldn't last through FFI.
There's a thought for you Albero. You've got the time...prove you really don't have little mans disease.
Oh and another FYI, when promotions are given the whole process has a points system. Seniority gaining the least points. Nowhere in the description of events was an interview with mayor listed. The one with the most points at the end is promoted. So find another topic, because you have no clue what your talking about.
Perhaps I'm becoming too defensive here and if I am doing so, forgive me?
Look, I have been a successful businessman for MANY years now and a proven one at that. That being said, when I see someone making what I feel are flat out STUPID moves, I express those thoughts right here on my own Blog where I use my own opinion.
Then I allow each and every one of you to respond and say whatever peace you want. Fair is fair. I don't see any one of you apologizing and asking for forgiveness whenever you're wrong. Not that I'm asking for such, it just shows the different kind of man we are from one and other.
I think they made a horrible move and I also believe they could have taken a strong advantage of a bad situation. I also believe it sends a HUGE signal that if you dedicate yourself, (even to an expert level) to the City of Salisbury, they're NOT going to hire/promote from within.
Let me close by asking you this. How do you think these two men feel right now? So good at their jobs they were passed up in fear the Chief couldn't replace them. Do YOU actually believe they're motivated enough to stick around? Or do you believe they should look elsewhere to find a job they can feel rewarded and respected for their professionalism?
That being said, IF the Chief was such a professional, do YOU actually believe he'd take that risk not promoting them and expect them to stick around?
That being said, I firmly disagree with you. If I were Cropper & Dodd, I'd be sending out my resume immediately and give the City ONE DAYS NOTICE when I left. I have NEVER treated any employee of mine so poorly. Then again I never had someone like Tilghman controlling my business and my having to be a puppet for that woman.
Little man's disease?
Sorry Dude, only a Little Man would use anonymous.
The 4 Lts that were passed over for promotiom should file a greivance with thier local who keeps a lawyer on retainer. Is that not why they pay dues.
" The reason the promotions were made the way they were was not " the good old boy system" but choosing the best for the job. The gentlemen chosen have the respect of the men they work with, are tried and tested firemen, and are full of a "go get 'em" attitude. "
Thats why another one the drove away from a fire was promoted LMAO
Please ...all you apologists for the fire department culture in Salisbury, doing your little square dance, trying to pretend the selection process is color blind. The personal attitudes of the majority of the white, good ‘ol boy firemen of the Wicomico County are about a hardcore racist as it gets, and the Chief has the same disdain for black people as the rank and file. I’ve heard you guys talk among yourselves socially, when you didn’t think anybody was around to disagree with you. You think black people are lazy, immoral, shiftless social parasites. You ooze with disdain for them.
I don’t agree with Joe on everything, but on this he’s on target. Your chief is setting the City of Salisbury up to have it’s pants sued off with stunts like this. That he is actually this recklessly stupid is beyond belief. Even assuming he is bone headed enough to enough to think he’s going to continue to get away with it, you’d at least expect the Mayor to raise a red flag at these sort of shenanigans, but then again, she’s not known for being able to catch a clue until events are on her doorstep. I’d at least expect City Atty., Paul Wilbur to step up with some prudent advice on this, but he’s scared to get on the Mayor’s bad side, and losing his very well paid position.
One smart lawyer, and one angry plaintiff, and all your fun will be over.
I hate to say it but the "good ole boy"mentality is alive and well here and anyone who says otherwise is delusional.I dont know the dynamics of the SFD and since I dont live there I dont care either,but thats how things are on the Eastern Shore.Its who you know and who your buddies are that get you promoted,ESPECIALLY in any government job.There was a time when I was going to apply for a job with a certain local government and was told by an insider not to bother-that they already had one of their"friends" handpicked and they pnly posted the job because legally they had to.That happens alot more than people want to believe or admit.
By the way,Joe,its great to see you back online pissing people off again!!!I missed SBYnews
i strongly disagree.... Cropper is a hell of a guy and a great LT at that.( i have never had one problem with him) but to say these guys dont deserve the position they have received is crazy.... I truely belive race had nothing to do with the promotions... The two that got promoted are some of the best i have seen in the department and some of the most respect....i havent heard one firefighter say anything negative about them...i also believe that there is not a firefighter out there that wouldnt follow these guys into any fire and thats all that matters....not how many college credits they have or where they may have or have not graduated from
This site sucks now. Are you running out of ideas? This is boring BS. It almost appears you are just making stuff up for people to read. How many views do you have now? 300 is my guess. Go back to the Western Shore where you belong.
Here's the funny part. YOU have the choice NOT to come here every day, multiple times a day. Then you tell ME to go back to the Western Shore? Just how stupid a person are you?
As for my hits, I get more than 300 hits every 20 minutes or so, literally! Hurt me and go away. LMAO!
The Good Ole Boy system works everywhere in the city, try getting a job at wastewater; if you don't go to their church don't even bother putting in an application. There was a recent job opening and it wasn't even put out to be applied for before it was filled, is this legal? And someone needs to look at the "promotions" going on there from the chief that didnt have his license and was chosen over a man with every license maryland has to offer to the shift "supervisors" supervising 1 or 2 men!
"karen" I enjoyed reading your comments. Because you "know" a certain person makes them the most qualified for a promotion.
Thank you for admitting that the Salisbury Fire Department is nothing more than the good ole boy system that practices racism.
Anonymous said...
I'm sure Rick does have the necessary collegiate background.
Thank you Rick for that educated update on your collegiate background. When I grow up I want to be as intelligent as your racist ass.
NOT!!!
Anonymous said...
.... I truely belive race had nothing to do with the promotions...
I guess you have never heard him referenced as a dumb F**king N***er? Of course not, your the chief that made the comments.
Anonymous said...
.... I truely belive race had nothing to do with the promotions...
Race is always an issue at the Salisbury Fire Department. Remember the VT Massacre when chief officers were making a joke that they wished it was a N***er school????
They are some sick individuals and they need to go now. Nuf said
Hmmm, I never said anyone should receive a promotion because I "know" them. No more than Mr. Albero should presume the others are best because he "knows" them. I was simply asking for concrete proof that the other gentlemen were passed over because of race and political views and I have gotten nothing.
SalisburyFire said...
Crop and Dodd's being passed over could be strategic not prejudice. Dodd is the Inspections Lt. and Crop is the training Lt. So that's two more positions that would have to be filled and new personnel trained. Maybe just maybe those two are priceless to the department as they are assigned now.
This is the stupidest analogy that any moron could even consider spewing. So you are saying it is ok to pass someone over because they are good at what they do??? WTF are you thinking. This is those guys careers, their jobs, their families, their money. They are also missing out on the opportunity for promotions to higher level. A moronic monkey like david see and rick hopeless would use this excuse to pass someone over for a promotion.
And don't forget it isn't only those two lieutents that got f**ked over for promotion, there were to others that sat through the promotion. Also, don't forget about that other firefighter that got f**ked out of a lieutenants position. Strategy my ass. You guys got screwed big time and you are to stupid to realize it.
Why don't you stop hiding behind "anonymous" you retard and give yourself a name so at least we know a little something about you. Yes, it can be strategic to pass up someone due to thier abilities in a current position. If it isn't broke don't fix it. The two that come in behind them could be total dumb ass's, if that was the case you would be perfect for the job.
Go back to F/N your sister you moronic shit.
salisburyfire
salisburyfire said...
Go back to F/N your sister you moronic shit.
That's funny, I don't even have a sister!!! Rick, is that you? You guys are so gay.
Actually that wasn't salisburyfire, I'm salisburyfire. I don't post under anonymous, mine say salisburyfire clear at the top.
Not to mention I wouldn't stoop quite to that level of stupidity. "go back to f/n ur sister tou moronic shit", what is this Wes Virgina, that's not my style. Nope this isn't Rick.
Easy with the West Virginia your gonna get Fighting 4th upset , or warm and wet..
joe:
Once again you disappoint. you get GARBAGE from some upset "mole" and fail to speak to anyone else to find out if the crap your fed is the truth or simply the truth as one individual would have you believe due to his personal inadequecies. Here goes.
ALL candidates sat for a written exam. An exam that I'm proud to say was written by 2 A/C's, one of which was myself. An exam that numerous candidates stated was by far the most pertinent exam ever offered by the SFD w/ regards to promotions. An exam all were required to acquire a score of at least "70". All did.
Next was an oral review board consisting of myself and 2 persons NOT affiliated w/ the SFD but w/ extensive fire service backgrounds. This exam consisted of SFD policy/procedural issues, human resource issues, training issues, and tactical scenarios. All of which were exactly the same for each candidate. Some did well, some did not. Scores were based upon benchmarks and how well each "hit" those benchmarks. Final scores were tallied and the top candidates received interviews w/ the Chief. Those that received interviews clearly stood out above their peers.
You speak of (now)Capt. Scott "purchasing" college credit. ALL college credits are purchased...thus the word "tuition". Capt. Scott "earned" those credits the same as whomever earns the Masters and Bachelors mentioned by your mole. They are applicable to numerous degrees and accepted by colleges throughout the country. I myself fully intend on utilizing that same process as I do not have a formal college education. But, as I read this blog, that is what matters most?! One's performance under fire (no pun intended), service record, respect of peers, and drive count for nothing I suppose. I also suppose that since I dont have a formal college education, that I dont deserve the promotions Ive received as well? I guess I am an asskisser and suck up as well? You yourself recently complimented me on NOT being as such on this very blog. So which is it?
As probably the only person on here who sat as the Administrator of both the written and Chaired the Oral Review Board, I feel Ive earned the right to say that the derogatory comments on here are ignorant and selfish...either made by those who truly are "ignorant" or who have "failed" themselves and arent man enough to look in the mirror and admit their shortcomings.
Like fire, the promotional process is indiscriminant. It cared not of you RACE, color, creed, sex, religion, or anything else for that matter. It separated the men from the boys as it were and the 4 sitting Lts you say were "passed over" simply passed themselves over as they had the ADVANTAGE! They have already been through this process. They were familiar w/ the questions and shouldve creamed their competition. Obviously, they mustve been complacent and felt that maybe the "good ole boy" system you and others rant about SHOULDVE aided them. Alas...it did not. The fact that they EARNED lesser scores and DIDNT get promoted lends credence to the fact that the "good ole boy" system that may have existed at one time is where it should be...DEAD!!
You said you didnt want to take away from these men's promotions. If that were true, you wouldve sought out someone such as myself and questioned your mole's "facts" to see if they were truth or simply him being upset with his own performance. I wonder if he tells his women its someone elses fault when he disappoints them?
Simply put: a system was utilized that did what it was supposed to do. For the most part, it segregated those that can from those that cant. There were a few that I personally was extremely disappointed in as I felt they would excel and they didnt. Is that anyone's fault but their own? Maybe they simply had bad days. But, as a public safety department, wouldnt you want me to have my best days when the chips were down. My job doesnt allow me to fail 70% of the time as does baseball for example, and be considered good. When we fail, people die. FACT.
L.C. would probably be pretty upset if he knew that your mole was using RACE as some sort of trump card as that is just plain stupidity. That is someone "reaching" when he wont man up and is looking to place blame on anything but his own performance, or lack thereof.
I know not whom your mole is, but tell him to look in any mirror and he will find the "conspiracy" he's looking for so desparately. If it's who I think it is, none of the grunts on the floor want to serve under him anyway due to his reputation. And reps ARE earned in the fire service; good and bad.
You always say youre printing the truth...well...there you have it. Print it. And if your mole denies it, he's a damn liar and you can tell him that Jimmie said so as I do NOT fear the truth.
and, should your mole wish to compare training records or job performance ratings, or certifications, I will certainly oblige him in any forum he so wishes...I am far from intelligent enough to obtain a Masters/Bachelors, however I did receive my formal education from the school of Everyday Hard Knocks...Suma Cum Laude.
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