Do you think that fires are the only calls that require a fire apparatus response? What about motor vehicle accidents, don't you think that rescue equipment which is located on those pieces of fire apparatus may be needed. Then what about qualified rescue technicians. Let me ask, are you qualified to do the job?
why not charge a fee for a house call?? Especially when the fire dept has no reason to be there and still get dispatched anyway? Charge the person who called. that would solve not having money for more police and properly trained EMT.
Now if the ambulance is called for someone who is dying or having a serious medical issue, maybe not. Maybe not in extreme cases that could be determined as part of a law. It just makes sense.
Anonymous said... why not charge a fee for a house call?? Especially when the fire dept has no reason to be there and still get dispatched anyway? Charge the person who called. that would solve not having money for more police and properly trained EMT.
Now if the ambulance is called for someone who is dying or having a serious medical issue, maybe not. Maybe not in extreme cases that could be determined as part of a law. It just makes sense.
September 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM
There is no need to have a fire engine on any ambulance call. A second ambulance is all that is necessary and much cheaper than a fire engine and a paid fire crew of 4 or more.
How is this possible when all the ambulances are busy in calls? Most of the over wieght citizens that have to be picked up require more manpower to lift anyway. Since you all know best anyway, why did you not apply to be Chief or apply to work ir volunteer. Oh that is right you have no qualifications to even walk through the door. There hss been a paid firefighter from near the inception of the fire department. We work very hard to deliver the best service to the citizens we serve.
Again someone who just doesn't know what they are talking about. 75% of the time there is no other SFD ambulance available to respond the call. 3 staffed ambulances for a city that runs 7-8k EMS calls per year.
the funny thing is at the rate these bozos are going the fire truck will be retired with a hundred thousand miles and we'll have only been used for three fires.
The current fire trucks and engines in service have already responded to a couple hundred fires. Shows just how much you really know about topics you open your gullit about.
Another person with no qualifications to speak on matters if the FD. You may help to pay for the stuff but you know nothing of which you speak. A brand new Pierce Velocity Engine (what they have now) cost between 450-600k. Thats no where near the 2million you mentioned.
Anonymous said... How is this possible when all the ambulances are busy in calls? Most of the over wieght citizens that have to be picked up require more manpower to lift anyway. Since you all know best anyway, why did you not apply to be Chief or apply to work ir volunteer. Oh that is right you have no qualifications to even walk through the door. There hss been a paid firefighter from near the inception of the fire department. We work very hard to deliver the best service to the citizens we serve.
September 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM
You work very hard to deliver the best service to the citizens you serve? But in the same breath you laugh at them an call them fat overweight slob? You people are some down right low lives.
Jay Jester is working today racking up them fire engine calls by self dispatching his fire truck on every ambulance call. Thank you central for acknowledging it as a self dispatch.
Every single Delta or Echo call gets a response from a engine or truck crew. You know why, because it can be very difficult to manage a dying person all by yourself while your partner is driving the ambulance. Those trucks or engines are staffed with a firefighter paramedic and 3 firefighter EMTs.
I don't understand why we don't have any fire calls , haven't seen one yet. My guess is that there haven't been any fires. Just change their name from firemen to medic responders or something like that. Don't need so many firefighters , do we? How did we justify all these positions? (firefighters) We have some sick a$$ people in this city!!! Anyway , who the hell is running this show?
Just fyi for readers: Four shifts with about 13 personnel 1in Assistant Chief 1 Company Officer 2 Acting Lieutenants 6-8 Paramedics Rest Emts
Staffing 1 engine, 3 ambulances, and 1 truck mon-fri 7a-7p. then there is truck 2 mon-fri 7a-5:30p (at the request of the volunteers) The rest are administration.
We handle all ambulance calls and most of all the fire related calls. We all rotate through the fire and ems equipment. When all of the ambulances are busy abd another call comes in personnel come if a fire piece and staff one of the two reserve ambulances, sometimes both.
There has been a paid firefighter in Salisbury nearly since the beginning. His job was to take care of the horses and the steamer. We take care of all the equipment, stations, and run the calls. True fires are down but this is a good thing correct? Should be viewed as an insurance policy. We all have insurance and hope we never have to use it, but when ee need it we hope we have the best coverage available.
Do you want a response at zero minutes or at four minutes the average volunteer response. When you or loved one is trapped in a car, cardiac arrest, or house is on fire. If you want change the door is always open because they always need more. Average volunteer nation wide lasts two to three years before leaving because it is just too much.
Anonymous said... Typical liberal twisting what is said. There are some over wieght citizens that need more manpower to lift.
September 6, 2013 at 3:16 PM
So you think it's ok for tax payers to pay over 60 paid firemen to sit around wait to chase ambulances around to help lift some land whale on to a stretcher. Why not just make them walk to the ambulance. None of these calls look like real emergencies where the patient can't walk. Hell, most of them can go to the hospital in their own personal vehicle.
And thus you now understand the abuse the 911 system receives. But guess what we can't refuse to transport, we can't tell them "oh just drive yourself to the hospital" by law we are not permitted to do so. It also goes against healthcare protocols to have any person with chest pains or shortness of breath to walk out to the ambulance, it doesn't make much sense to have them exert any unneeded energy now does it!
There has never been 60 paid firefighters on shift in Salisbury at one time. That number is broken into 4 different 24hr shifts. I would love to see some you self righteous paper pushing fools get off your duff for a 24hr shift and do their job. Your soft little hands wouldn't make it through 12hrs.
What if your family is still in there, you will die going in to save them. With the equipment and training they have they will die trying to save your family. Would you do that for their family?
None said... Get your information straight, a brand new Pierce Velocity (what they have now) cost around 450-600k, no where near the 2million you mentioned.
September 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM
Ok lets say you replace 3 fire trucks that the paid firemen drive all over in at your cost of $600K. That equates to $1.8 Million dollars so I am assuming you understand that is very close to $2 Million. Oh don't forget that ladder truck was $1.5 million dollars, but don't worry there are no calls it responds to so will have low mileage. Well then again the paid firemen keep wrecking it and causing a lot of damage to it.
Dear "None" An answer to your problem about having 3 ambulances or crews. Get rid of half the firefighters and then you will have ample funds to pay for more medical vehicles and crew. You certainly don't need a fire truck responding. We know you work 24 on duty , so what , that's what you wanted , that's what you got. You surely don't work your butt off ,been there , done that . I can understand why you are upset , you don't want to loose your gravy job! Don't blame you , but everyone knows now .
None said... Again someone who just doesn't know what they are talking about. 75% of the time there is no other SFD ambulance available to respond the call. 3 staffed ambulances for a city that runs 7-8k EMS calls per year.
September 8, 2013 at 1:58 PM
I think you helped prove a point that there are not enough ambulances staffed 24 hours a day, but the city continues to pay for firemen to sit around or sleep just to wait for an ambulance call to come in. Poor leadership exists in the leadership of the city and the fire department.
None said... And thus you now understand the abuse the 911 system receives. But guess what we can't refuse to transport, we can't tell them "oh just drive yourself to the hospital" by law we are not permitted to do so. It also goes against healthcare protocols to have any person with chest pains or shortness of breath to walk out to the ambulance, it doesn't make much sense to have them exert any unneeded energy now does it!
September 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Please tell the readers of this website what "law" you are referring to? Please cite the source so that we may be able to look it up ourselves.
Anonymous said... Do you think that fires are the only calls that require a fire apparatus response? What about motor vehicle accidents, don't you think that rescue equipment which is located on those pieces of fire apparatus may be needed. Then what about qualified rescue technicians. Let me ask, are you qualified to do the job?
September 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM
What makes you think motor vehicle accidents require rescue tools on a fire truck. The only thing required nearly a 100% of the time is qualified paramedics to treat and transport. Was the motor vehicle accident dispatched with entrapment? NO! Fire trucks are responding to motor vehicle accidents just like they respond to ambulance calls. To increase fire engine calls and justify their jobs.
There are not 8 paramedics per shift. Are you trying to tell us the city employs half the fire department as paramedics? Another lie by a paid fire man
None said... There has never been 60 paid firefighters on shift in Salisbury at one time. That number is broken into 4 different 24hr shifts. I would love to see some you self righteous paper pushing fools get off your duff for a 24hr shift and do their job. Your soft little hands wouldn't make it through 12hrs.
September 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM
I don't think anyone has ever claimed there to be 60 paid firemen on duty every day. The point of the matter is 60 paid firemen are to many and not needed. When has the fire department actively recruited volunteers? Never.
Anonymous said... The current fire trucks and engines in service have already responded to a couple hundred fires. Shows just how much you really know about topics you open your gullit about.
September 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM
LMAO
Are you talking about this year or the last 25 years?
If you are talking about this year then you are trying to tell us there has been at least on house fire per day in Salisbury. NOT!
Anonymous said... What if your family is still in there, you will die going in to save them. With the equipment and training they have they will die trying to save your family. Would you do that for their family?
September 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM
Oh such scare tactics. You brave men. You are assuming that no one has smoke detectors and are to stupid to exit the house.
If you knew what you were talking about the people would be dead by the time the fire department got there anyway.
The Maryland Institute of Emergency Medical Services System (M.I.E.M.S.S.) has been in charge of ALL E.M.S. providers sinces it's inception in the early 1970's. This state sponsored organization writes and approves all training, policy & protocol procedures for the providers. What "None" has stated is true and has been apart of Maryland E.M.S. protocol for years. This blog does not allow links to web pages but you can Google MIEMSS and click on the link to there website. Furthermore you can contact Dr. Richard Alcorta at University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore to further verify what has been said. This Dr. Is the head of this organization.
Mr. Dispatcher (I've never done patient care or fought fire) Pollitt what in the world are you talking about?
By the way the last time I checked Dr. Richard Alcorta is not at the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore and not the head of THAT organization. By the way it is The Maryland Institute "FOR" Emergency Medical Services Systems (MIEMSS) not of and Systems not system. Now go back and play with your little police scanner and leave the blogging to the professionals.
Some of you dispatchers are just as dumb as "Done" the farmin.
Since you don't have the backbone to post your name with your comment it is not valid to me. I served my community for 20 years as a BLS provider many times as the primary provider and yes I was on the fire side for 10 years and saw my share of fire. Funny how I knew that a spineless person such as yourself would make such comments and not put there name to it. SMH.
So I stand corrected. Dr. Bass is the Executive Director of M.I.E.M.S.S. The point still is that the public can Google the organization or contact the Executive Director of MIEMSS. It must make you feel really important that you were able to point out spelling and grammar errors and have an admin post the comment for you. Give me the courtesy of speaking with you on the phone the next time I work.
Look No Fires!! Surprise, Surprise!!
ReplyDeleteDo you think that fires are the only calls that require a fire apparatus response? What about motor vehicle accidents, don't you think that rescue equipment which is located on those pieces of fire apparatus may be needed. Then what about qualified rescue technicians. Let me ask, are you qualified to do the job?
DeleteWhat about the moonlight cruse with the fireboat involving Natural Light?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWhat about the moonlight cruse with the fireboat involving Natural Light?
September 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM
That doesn't get an incident number, but you can find the pics in the Members Only section of the website.
This has and will never be done, to say such is just asinine and shows that you know nothing if which you say.
Deletewhy not charge a fee for a house call?? Especially when the fire dept has no reason to be there and still get dispatched anyway? Charge the person who called.
ReplyDeletethat would solve not having money for more police and properly trained EMT.
Now if the ambulance is called for someone who is dying or having a serious medical issue, maybe not. Maybe not in extreme cases that could be determined as part of a law. It just makes sense.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletewhy not charge a fee for a house call?? Especially when the fire dept has no reason to be there and still get dispatched anyway? Charge the person who called.
that would solve not having money for more police and properly trained EMT.
Now if the ambulance is called for someone who is dying or having a serious medical issue, maybe not. Maybe not in extreme cases that could be determined as part of a law. It just makes sense.
September 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM
There is no need to have a fire engine on any ambulance call. A second ambulance is all that is necessary and much cheaper than a fire engine and a paid fire crew of 4 or more.
How is this possible when all the ambulances are busy in calls? Most of the over wieght citizens that have to be picked up require more manpower to lift anyway. Since you all know best anyway, why did you not apply to be Chief or apply to work ir volunteer. Oh that is right you have no qualifications to even walk through the door. There hss been a paid firefighter from near the inception of the fire department. We work very hard to deliver the best service to the citizens we serve.
DeleteAgain someone who just doesn't know what they are talking about. 75% of the time there is no other SFD ambulance available to respond the call. 3 staffed ambulances for a city that runs 7-8k EMS calls per year.
Deletethe funny thing is at the rate these bozos are going the fire truck will be retired with a hundred thousand miles and we'll have only been used for three fires.
ReplyDeleteThe current fire trucks and engines in service have already responded to a couple hundred fires. Shows just how much you really know about topics you open your gullit about.
Delete11:28 AM you are correct and each of the fire engines will cost tax payers over $2 million to replace them.
ReplyDeleteGet your information straight, a brand new Pierce Velocity (what they have now) cost around 450-600k, no where near the 2million you mentioned.
DeleteAnother person with no qualifications to speak on matters if the FD. You may help to pay for the stuff but you know nothing of which you speak. A brand new Pierce Velocity Engine (what they have now) cost between 450-600k. Thats no where near the 2million you mentioned.
DeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteHow is this possible when all the ambulances are busy in calls? Most of the over wieght citizens that have to be picked up require more manpower to lift anyway. Since you all know best anyway, why did you not apply to be Chief or apply to work ir volunteer. Oh that is right you have no qualifications to even walk through the door. There hss been a paid firefighter from near the inception of the fire department. We work very hard to deliver the best service to the citizens we serve.
September 6, 2013 at 11:54 AM
You work very hard to deliver the best service to the citizens you serve? But in the same breath you laugh at them an call them fat overweight slob? You people are some down right low lives.
Typical liberal twisting what is said. There are some over wieght citizens that need more manpower to lift.
DeleteJay Jester is working today racking up them fire engine calls by self dispatching his fire truck on every ambulance call. Thank you central for acknowledging it as a self dispatch.
ReplyDeleteEvery single Delta or Echo call gets a response from a engine or truck crew. You know why, because it can be very difficult to manage a dying person all by yourself while your partner is driving the ambulance. Those trucks or engines are staffed with a firefighter paramedic and 3 firefighter EMTs.
DeleteI don't understand why we don't have any fire calls , haven't seen one yet. My guess is that there haven't been any fires.
ReplyDeleteJust change their name from firemen to medic responders or something like that. Don't need so many firefighters , do we? How did we justify all these positions? (firefighters) We have some sick a$$ people in this city!!!
Anyway , who the hell is running this show?
I you think you can do a better job then go ahead and get off your duff and step up to the plate big boy.
DeleteJust fyi for readers:
ReplyDeleteFour shifts with about 13 personnel
1in Assistant Chief
1 Company Officer
2 Acting Lieutenants
6-8 Paramedics
Rest Emts
Staffing 1 engine, 3 ambulances, and 1 truck mon-fri 7a-7p.
then there is truck 2 mon-fri 7a-5:30p (at the request of the volunteers)
The rest are administration.
We handle all ambulance calls and most of all the fire related calls. We all rotate through the fire and ems equipment. When all of the ambulances are busy abd another call comes in personnel come if a fire piece and staff one of the two reserve ambulances, sometimes both.
There has been a paid firefighter in Salisbury nearly since the beginning. His job was to take care of the horses and the steamer. We take care of all the equipment, stations, and run the calls. True fires are down but this is a good thing correct? Should be viewed as an insurance policy. We all have insurance and hope we never have to use it, but when ee need it we hope we have the best coverage available.
Do you want a response at zero minutes or at four minutes the average volunteer response. When you or loved one is trapped in a car, cardiac arrest, or house is on fire. If you want change the door is always open because they always need more. Average volunteer nation wide lasts two to three years before leaving because it is just too much.
Hope this helps
i hope all of the above have a fire at your house and no one shows stop crying and go get a job
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteTypical liberal twisting what is said. There are some over wieght citizens that need more manpower to lift.
September 6, 2013 at 3:16 PM
So you think it's ok for tax payers to pay over 60 paid firemen to sit around wait to chase ambulances around to help lift some land whale on to a stretcher. Why not just make them walk to the ambulance. None of these calls look like real emergencies where the patient can't walk. Hell, most of them can go to the hospital in their own personal vehicle.
And thus you now understand the abuse the 911 system receives. But guess what we can't refuse to transport, we can't tell them "oh just drive yourself to the hospital" by law we are not permitted to do so. It also goes against healthcare protocols to have any person with chest pains or shortness of breath to walk out to the ambulance, it doesn't make much sense to have them exert any unneeded energy now does it!
DeleteThere has never been 60 paid firefighters on shift in Salisbury at one time. That number is broken into 4 different 24hr shifts. I would love to see some you self righteous paper pushing fools get off your duff for a 24hr shift and do their job. Your soft little hands wouldn't make it through 12hrs.
DeleteI got insurance on my house , who cares if they don't show up. I just get a new house!
ReplyDeleteThey gonna screw it up with water anyway.
What if your family is still in there, you will die going in to save them. With the equipment and training they have they will die trying to save your family. Would you do that for their family?
DeleteNone said...
ReplyDeleteGet your information straight, a brand new Pierce Velocity (what they have now) cost around 450-600k, no where near the 2million you mentioned.
September 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM
Ok lets say you replace 3 fire trucks that the paid firemen drive all over in at your cost of $600K. That equates to $1.8 Million dollars so I am assuming you understand that is very close to $2 Million. Oh don't forget that ladder truck was $1.5 million dollars, but don't worry there are no calls it responds to so will have low mileage. Well then again the paid firemen keep wrecking it and causing a lot of damage to it.
Dear "None"
ReplyDeleteAn answer to your problem about having 3 ambulances or crews.
Get rid of half the firefighters and then you will have ample funds to pay for more medical vehicles and crew. You certainly don't need a fire truck responding.
We know you work 24 on duty , so what , that's what you wanted , that's what you got.
You surely don't work your butt off
,been there , done that . I can understand why you are upset , you don't want to loose your gravy job!
Don't blame you , but everyone knows now .
None said...
ReplyDeleteAgain someone who just doesn't know what they are talking about. 75% of the time there is no other SFD ambulance available to respond the call. 3 staffed ambulances for a city that runs 7-8k EMS calls per year.
September 8, 2013 at 1:58 PM
I think you helped prove a point that there are not enough ambulances staffed 24 hours a day, but the city continues to pay for firemen to sit around or sleep just to wait for an ambulance call to come in. Poor leadership exists in the leadership of the city and the fire department.
None said...
ReplyDeleteAnd thus you now understand the abuse the 911 system receives. But guess what we can't refuse to transport, we can't tell them "oh just drive yourself to the hospital" by law we are not permitted to do so. It also goes against healthcare protocols to have any person with chest pains or shortness of breath to walk out to the ambulance, it doesn't make much sense to have them exert any unneeded energy now does it!
September 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Please tell the readers of this website what "law" you are referring to? Please cite the source so that we may be able to look it up ourselves.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteDo you think that fires are the only calls that require a fire apparatus response? What about motor vehicle accidents, don't you think that rescue equipment which is located on those pieces of fire apparatus may be needed. Then what about qualified rescue technicians. Let me ask, are you qualified to do the job?
September 8, 2013 at 2:34 PM
What makes you think motor vehicle accidents require rescue tools on a fire truck. The only thing required nearly a 100% of the time is qualified paramedics to treat and transport. Was the motor vehicle accident dispatched with entrapment? NO! Fire trucks are responding to motor vehicle accidents just like they respond to ambulance calls. To increase fire engine calls and justify their jobs.
September 8, 2013 at 10:16 AM
ReplyDeleteThere are not 8 paramedics per shift. Are you trying to tell us the city employs half the fire department as paramedics? Another lie by a paid fire man
None said...
ReplyDeleteThere has never been 60 paid firefighters on shift in Salisbury at one time. That number is broken into 4 different 24hr shifts. I would love to see some you self righteous paper pushing fools get off your duff for a 24hr shift and do their job. Your soft little hands wouldn't make it through 12hrs.
September 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM
I don't think anyone has ever claimed there to be 60 paid firemen on duty every day. The point of the matter is 60 paid firemen are to many and not needed. When has the fire department actively recruited volunteers? Never.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThe current fire trucks and engines in service have already responded to a couple hundred fires. Shows just how much you really know about topics you open your gullit about.
September 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM
LMAO
Are you talking about this year or the last 25 years?
If you are talking about this year then you are trying to tell us there has been at least on house fire per day in Salisbury. NOT!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWhat if your family is still in there, you will die going in to save them. With the equipment and training they have they will die trying to save your family. Would you do that for their family?
September 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM
Oh such scare tactics. You brave men. You are assuming that no one has smoke detectors and are to stupid to exit the house.
If you knew what you were talking about the people would be dead by the time the fire department got there anyway.
"NONE" we are still waiting to hear what law you are referring to in your 2:09 PM post.
ReplyDeleteThe Maryland Institute of Emergency Medical Services System (M.I.E.M.S.S.) has been in charge of ALL E.M.S. providers sinces it's inception in the early 1970's. This state sponsored organization writes and approves all training, policy & protocol procedures for the providers. What "None" has stated is true and has been apart of Maryland E.M.S. protocol for years. This blog does not allow links to web pages but you can Google MIEMSS and click on the link to there website. Furthermore you can contact Dr. Richard Alcorta at University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore to further verify what has been said. This Dr. Is the head of this organization.
ReplyDeleteMr. Dispatcher (I've never done patient care or fought fire) Pollitt what in the world are you talking about?
ReplyDeleteBy the way the last time I checked Dr. Richard Alcorta is not at the University of Maryland Shock Trauma Center in Baltimore and not the head of THAT organization. By the way it is The Maryland Institute "FOR" Emergency Medical Services Systems (MIEMSS) not of and Systems not system. Now go back and play with your little police scanner and leave the blogging to the professionals.
Some of you dispatchers are just as dumb as "Done" the farmin.
By the way I am embarrassed for you.
Since you don't have the backbone to post your name with your comment it is not valid to me. I served my community for 20 years as a BLS provider many times as the primary provider and yes I was on the fire side for 10 years and saw my share of fire. Funny how I knew that a spineless person such as yourself would make such comments and not put there name to it. SMH.
ReplyDeleteSo I stand corrected. Dr. Bass is the Executive Director of M.I.E.M.S.S. The point still is that the public can Google the organization or contact the Executive Director of MIEMSS. It must make you feel really important that you were able to point out spelling and grammar errors and have an admin post the comment for you. Give me the courtesy of speaking with you on the phone the next time I work.
ReplyDeleteYes there are 6-8 Paramedics per shift.
ReplyDelete