Well, duh! The learning loss is even greater for those who didn't have a full grip on the instruction in the first place. All the more important that we strongly consider all year long schooling, with periodic 2-3 week breaks. Sometimes getting a better product means working harder and longer.
research is inconclusive on whether year-round schooling is an effective solution to this problem. Two major meta-analyses of studies on year-round schooling have shown that the findings are mixed and that many studies suffer from weak research designs or methodology—for example, failing to account for family socioeconomic level or parental education. However, both of these meta-analyses—Worthen and Zsiray (1994) and Cooper, Valentine, Charlton, and Melson (2003)—did find support for the following conclusions: Students in year-round schools do as well or slightly better in terms of academic achievement than students in traditional schools. Year-round education may be particularly beneficial for students from low-income families. Students, parents, and teachers who participate in a year-round school tend to have positive attitudes about the experience.
The research also indicates that when year-round schooling has resulted in higher academic achievement, the schools in question are usually doing more than just rearranging the school calendar. These schools are also providing remediation and enrichment for students during the breaks so that students have opportunities to relearn material, practice skills, catch up, or experience nonacademic enrichment activities continuously throughout the year (McMillen, 2001).
Yeah, we were really screwed up back in our day when we had a solid THREE months off. Liberals are simply pushing the idea of year round school so they can suck the taxpayers dry with even more funding. Be careful what this guy is asking for.
Think about it. This Liberal Fredericksen throws out things like you'll forget your Spanish or German after a few years. HELLOOOO, you just admitted these kids are only off for seven or eight weeks, NOT years.
When one's background includes almost nothing to do with curriculum and instruction, one's opinions about those fundamental aspects of education reflect same.
Next, I'd like to hear a first grader outline his views on macroeconomics. All he would need is misplaced confidence in his limited knowledge of the subject and a desire to hear his own voice.
I agree, fast Freddy is not to be trusted or believed under ANY circumstances. I smell the cost of more teachers, and many more pay increases with Freddy being one of them! NO ONE MONEY FOR THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR ANY REASON. I don't want my tax money going to this liberal bunch.
If Mr. Palmer and Mr. Ollinger focus on getting answers to the questions they actually ask, and are not sidetracked by jargon-filled comments devoid of truth, they will represent us well. Perhaps they might reread "The Emperor's New Clothes" to remind them of the power of unvarnished honesty.
1:21 teach your own kids year round moron. My kids deserve the summer off and should have it off 3 straight months. Its idiots like you with your dumb ideas of year school to indoctrinate kids so they can't think for themselves. My kids already work hard and are on the National Honor Society. School should end in before Memorial Day and not start again till after Labor Day every year.
Guess which superintendent did away with the year round program at Delmar Elementary. Wasn't it said the program showed no increased achievement or attendance when compared to the regular program? Hint: it happened just a few years ago.
I've been a critic before, and I'm sure I'll be a critic again but I found this clip to be informative and uncontroversial. Think many previous comments reflected concerns their authors have more than what the superintendent actually said.
All of us do suffer slippage in skills we haven't been using, whether mental or physical. Spring training occurs before the season for a good reason.
Despite what test results show many students have a tenuous grip on the material they are alleged to have mastered, even during the school year. Sorry to say, I think the state developed testing focuses more on what kids can pass than on what they should be responsible for. The districts are required to use these materials.
I was out of school in early June and didn't go back until after Labor Day so I enjoyed the time off, but soon learned that schedule had roots in the agricultural past. It's handy for some families and not for others. My kids were graduated before the Delmar 'experiment' began, and went to Wicomico schools closer to town. The year around plan didn't appear to suffer from too many applicants and was dropped.
It behooves all of us to have the best plan and results for and from the kids. We just have a variety of opinions about the route to take and what to pack for the journey. Get informed and make a contribution of time and effort to get your view into the discussion.
It would be refreshing if any route led to some attention to our most capable learners. Those students get almost no direct instruction from the teacher who is trying to bring up the academic level of those with limited ability and almost no motivation. This county's number of high performing learners has dropped dramatically in the past few years under the current leadership, but little public mention is made of that. Closing the gap cannot be done by bringing up the bottom. It has to be done by slowing down everyone else. The public school system should not be synonymous with social services. All children, even the capable and well-behaved, deserve an appropriate education.
Please explain when and/or how you think the kids are out of school for 3 months. They get out June 17th and Return August 24th. In my math days that is equal to 9 weeks and 3 months is 12 weeks.
I would like to hear his explanation as to why Bennett once again gets out at normal school ending and the rest of the County has to attend the extended period of time. Just because they are getting another over budget new school should not allow favortism.
"The capable and well-behaved" are not a priority. Programs for them are not funded because such programs would not be racially balanced, even if any qualified kid could participate. Obviously, a double standard exists. There is an incredible number of programs that aren't racially balanced, but it's all about which race benefits.
Kids who need summer school are not signing up to go so just make everyone have school year round. Public school thinking is that everything must be done for the least able at the expense of all other students. Skills might improve if, within the five hours elementary kids are in summer school each day, more than one hour for reading and one hour for math are scheduled. Maybe eliminate special classes like art and phys. ed. during summer school and have kids attend on Friday since schools are open every day. I doubt p.e. and art skills need summer remediation.
Well, duh! The learning loss is even greater for those who didn't have a full grip on the instruction in the first place.
ReplyDeleteAll the more important that we strongly consider all year long schooling, with periodic 2-3 week breaks. Sometimes getting a better product means working harder and longer.
Don't students who failed for the year get to pass if they go to summer school? Couldn't do a year's work in a year but can do it in a few weeks?
ReplyDeleteShows how much you don't know. Not the way it works anymore. Must have been that way when you went!
DeletePlease enlighten us how it works then
DeleteDear Readers,
ReplyDeletePlease consider the following:
research is inconclusive on whether year-round schooling is an effective solution to this problem. Two major meta-analyses of studies on year-round schooling have shown that the findings are mixed and that many studies suffer from weak research designs or methodology—for example, failing to account for family socioeconomic level or parental education. However, both of these meta-analyses—Worthen and Zsiray (1994) and Cooper, Valentine, Charlton, and Melson (2003)—did find support for the following conclusions:
Students in year-round schools do as well or slightly better in terms of academic achievement than students in traditional schools.
Year-round education may be particularly beneficial for students from low-income families.
Students, parents, and teachers who participate in a year-round school tend to have positive attitudes about the experience.
The research also indicates that when year-round schooling has resulted in higher academic achievement, the schools in question are usually doing more than just rearranging the school calendar. These schools are also providing remediation and enrichment for students during the breaks so that students have opportunities to relearn material, practice skills, catch up, or experience nonacademic enrichment activities continuously throughout the year (McMillen, 2001).
Regards,
Paladin
Source: http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational_leadership/apr10/vol67/num07/Year-Round_Schooling.aspx
Yeah, we were really screwed up back in our day when we had a solid THREE months off. Liberals are simply pushing the idea of year round school so they can suck the taxpayers dry with even more funding. Be careful what this guy is asking for.
ReplyDeleteThink about it. This Liberal Fredericksen throws out things like you'll forget your Spanish or German after a few years. HELLOOOO, you just admitted these kids are only off for seven or eight weeks, NOT years.
If you buy what he's saying, YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
Joe,
ReplyDeleteI absolutely agree - he is a snake in the grass and always has an agenda. He is just dangerous and doing and incredible disservice to the community.
Regards,
Paladin
When one's background includes almost nothing to do with curriculum and instruction, one's opinions about those fundamental aspects of education reflect same.
ReplyDeleteNext, I'd like to hear a first grader outline his views on macroeconomics. All he would need is misplaced confidence in his limited knowledge of the subject and a desire to hear his own voice.
ReplyDeleteI agree, fast Freddy is not to be trusted or believed under ANY circumstances. I smell the cost of more teachers, and many more pay increases with Freddy being one of them! NO ONE MONEY FOR THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR ANY REASON. I don't want my tax money going to this liberal bunch.
ReplyDeleteDr. Fredrickson we are sending you a gift his name is John Palmer enjoy.
ReplyDeleteIf Mr. Palmer and Mr. Ollinger focus on getting answers to the questions they actually ask, and are not sidetracked by jargon-filled comments devoid of truth, they will represent us well. Perhaps they might reread "The Emperor's New Clothes" to remind them of the power of unvarnished honesty.
ReplyDelete1:21 teach your own kids year round moron. My kids deserve the summer off and should have it off 3 straight months. Its idiots like you with your dumb ideas of year school to indoctrinate kids so they can't think for themselves. My kids already work hard and are on the National Honor Society. School should end in before Memorial Day and not start again till after Labor Day every year.
ReplyDeleteGuess which superintendent did away with the year round program at Delmar Elementary. Wasn't it said the program showed no increased achievement or attendance when compared to the regular program? Hint: it happened just a few years ago.
ReplyDelete
ReplyDeleteI've been a critic before, and I'm sure I'll be a critic again but I found this clip to be informative and uncontroversial. Think many previous comments reflected concerns their authors have more than what the superintendent actually said.
All of us do suffer slippage in skills we haven't been using, whether mental or physical. Spring training occurs before the season for a good reason.
Despite what test results show many students have a tenuous grip on the material they are alleged to have mastered, even during the school year. Sorry to say, I think the state developed testing focuses more on what kids can pass than on what they should be responsible for. The districts are required to use these materials.
I was out of school in early June and didn't go back until after Labor Day so I enjoyed the time off, but soon learned that schedule had roots in the agricultural past. It's handy for some families and not for others. My kids were graduated before the Delmar 'experiment' began, and went to Wicomico schools closer to town. The year around plan didn't appear to suffer from too many applicants and was dropped.
It behooves all of us to have the best plan and results for and from the kids. We just have a variety of opinions about the route to take and what to pack for the journey. Get informed and make a contribution of time and effort to get your view into the discussion.
It would be refreshing if any route led to some attention to our most capable learners. Those students get almost no direct instruction from the teacher who is trying to bring up the academic level of those with limited ability and almost no motivation. This county's number of high performing learners has dropped dramatically in the past few years under the current leadership, but little public mention is made of that. Closing the gap cannot be done by bringing up the bottom. It has to be done by slowing down everyone else. The public school system should not be synonymous with social services. All children, even the capable and well-behaved, deserve an appropriate education.
ReplyDeletePlease explain when and/or how you think the kids are out of school for 3 months. They get out June 17th and Return August 24th. In my math days that is equal to 9 weeks and 3 months is 12 weeks.
ReplyDeleteI would like to hear his explanation as to why Bennett once again gets out at normal school ending and the rest of the County has to attend the extended period of time. Just because they are getting another over budget new school should not allow favortism.
"The capable and well-behaved" are not a priority. Programs for them are not funded because such programs would not be racially balanced, even if any qualified kid could participate. Obviously, a double standard exists. There is an incredible number of programs that aren't racially balanced, but it's all about which race benefits.
ReplyDeleteHello? Delmar HAD a year around program. Freddie killed that program. He couldn't have the kids in Delmar doing better than his chosen group.
ReplyDeleteIs he talking about music skills?
ReplyDeleteKids who need summer school are not signing up to go so just make everyone have school year round. Public school thinking is that everything must be done for the least able at the expense of all other students. Skills might improve if, within the five hours elementary kids are in summer school each day, more than one hour for reading and one hour for math are scheduled. Maybe eliminate special classes like art and phys. ed. during summer school and have kids attend on Friday since schools are open every day. I doubt p.e. and art skills need summer remediation.
ReplyDeleteComcast ? The left wing Obama supporting Comcast ?
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