The Kansas legislature is about to empower the state to quarantine people with HIV and AIDS. The local Fox affiliate says the legislation is expected to become law in the next few weeks.
Republicans in the Kansas state legislature promise that the quarantine power will never be exercised against people with AIDS, but they then shot down a Democratic-led effort, by Senator Marci Francisco, to exempt people with HIV and AIDS from the quarantine provision.
Funny how they don’t ever plan on using it against people with AIDS, but then refuse to exempt people with AIDS from the quarantine they promise they’ll never use.
It HIV or AIDS were not associated with homosexual sexual behavior Leftist rags like the one that posted this would be all for Quarantine. It is sound medical practice to isolate persons with highly contagious disease like T.B. or AIDS. Actually it would benefit the person with HIV to be quarantined from others-they have drastically deficient immune systems and are usually on reverse isolation when hospitalised. Funny how the leftist who wrote this crap doesn't care that The White House and Congress EXEMPTED themselves from Obamacare .
To 11:07, your ignorance about disease is only approached by your ignorance about ObamaCare. AIDS isn't "highly contagious." The HIV virus has to enter your bloodstream in order to get it. You can't just get AIDS from being around someone with AIDS. There's no reason to quarantine anyone with the disease.
And the White House and Congress didn't exempt themselves from ObamaCare. Do you even know how the law works? It's mainly regulations on insurance companies and directives to states to set up health insurance exchanges and expand Medicaid. How, exactly, would Congress and the President be "exempt" from these things? The only provision that directly applies to individual Americans, the mandate to buy health insurance, applies to everyone in Congress and the executive branch as much as it does to you or me.
11:47 Does anyone know how Obamacare works? Sebellius doesn't even know and she is the person implementing it. Put it this way, The White House and Congress will have access to Health Care that isn't afforded to the average citizen--feel better now? The point about isolating an HIV person for their OWN benefit obviously escaped you. Wish there was a law to quarantine leftists Democrats.
11:47-I'm not 11:07 but I DO know how Obamacare works so let me explain it to you. While Congress and the President did not directly and technically "emempt" themselves from it they did manage to "exempt" themselves from it. While for the rest of us, Obamacare is state controlled and we are going to be limited to the choices of plans we can pick from otherwise be penalized, Congress and the President have their own little corner governing their health care called the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program.
"Republican Senators Chuck Grassley (Iowa) and Tom Coburn (Oklahoma) tried to close this loophole, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) wouldn’t even let it come up for a vote. As Grassley says, “It’s only fair and logical that top administration officials, who fought so hard for passage of this overhaul of America’s health care system, experience it themselves. If it’s as good as promised, they’ll know it first-hand. If there are problems, they’ll be able to really understand them, as they should.”
Wrong! Please please please go read the bill! The only regulations are on consumers who purchase health insurance. Whereas as before a young otherwise healthy young person had the option of purchasing low premium high deductable plans that will be no more. The plans will still be available but if the plan is not a state "approved" "choice" you will be held to a penalty taken out of your taxes if due a refund or added if you pay income tax. The penalty is 2% of your yearly income. You were sold the bill of goods I can see.
Reminds me of Obama, writing indefinite detentions of US Citizens in the NDAA, claiming he'll veto, and then signing the legislation but saying he'll never use the powers he gave himself.
There's no regulation on insurance companies in Obamacare. They touted Obamacare as insurance companies having to insure everyone regardless but that was already addressed in Clinton's HIPAA, The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Another falsehood that took off was that everyone would be entitled to healthcare when the fact it it's not healthcare but healthcare COVERAGE-which anyone making over just under $10,000 a year will be required to purchase or they will be fined or "taxed" as the Supreme Court called it.
I don't have a problem with everyone contributing something toward their healthcare costs but I do have a problem with a limited number of plans we will have to choose from. These approved plans basically benefit the insurance companies the most.
Exactly 12:29--Leftist love to obscure the truth. Like Clinton what the definition of "is" is, EXEMPTION means they will get access quickly and unquestionably. Just like "affordable housing" is taxpayer funded and subsidised. The Democrat script is really getting old.
That comment was pretty funny wasn't it 1:36 considering Obamacare was crafted and written by insurance companies. This is why hard core leftist such as Howard Dean hate it. What's not funny is not only how uninformed people are like 11:47 but how easily they are brainwashed by propaganda.
11:47 here again. I realize ObamaCare is a complicated bill, but I didn't realize that it was so complicated since none of you have any idea what you are talking about.
To clear the air, I'm opposed to it and think it's horrible legislation. However, unlike any of you, I actually know what I'm opposing.
To 12:35 -- those regulations aren't on consumers, they are regulations on insurance companies that limit what they can sell to consumers.
To 12:53 -- I'd urge you to actually look at the legislation or even a summary of it. There is a huge amount of regulation on insurance companies in the bill. Yes, these regulations end up impacting consumers because it limits their choice in the marketplace, but the regulations are on the companies, not on the people who buy from the companies.
To 12:11 -- Beginning in 2014, members of Congress and their staff no longer have access to FEHBP. They have to buy insurance through the exchanges. See Section 1312 of the bill.
Once again, 11:17 here. I love that you call me "uninformed," 3:25. I guess to people here, being "uninformed" means not getting all your information from e-mail forwards. Considering that I get paid to know what's in health care legislation like ObamaCare, I'd say that I'm pretty far from being "brainwashed by propaganda," unless by that phrase you mean "reading and analyzing the text of the legislation."
"To 12:35 -- those regulations aren't on consumers, they are regulations on insurance companies that limit what they can sell to consumers"
Wrong. The companies can sell whatever they want and people can still buy whatever they want but if the plan is not an approved one they will be fined. That is why the IRS is overseeing Obamacare and that is why those touting it have always said you can keep you same plan if you want but never mentioning there are strings attached to it.
3:28 There is no limit on what can be sold to consumers. You will still be able to buy whatever plan you want but a tax as high as 40% in come cases will be applied to what they are terming a "Cadillac Plan." They even call it the "Cadillac Plan Tax."
3:28-Again what you say is "technically" correct but you seem to not be aware of the "loophole" involved which doesn't "technically" and "directly" "exempt" them from Obamacare but exempts them "technically" and indirectly. In plain English- "On page 157 of the healthcare bill, a provision mandates that members of Congress and their staff purchase insurance within the health insurance exchanges. Unfortunately, the definition of “congressional staff” exempts shared employees, leadership staff, and committee staff. The President, Vice President and Executive Branch political appointees are also curiously exempt from participation in the exchanges.
Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), as ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, received committee approval of an amendment to require all congressional staff and members of Congress, without exception, to participate in the health insurance exchanges, along with other Americans. Later, during closed-door reworking of the legislation, majority staff carved out leadership and committee staff from the exchange requirement. Grassley sought to close the loophole with legislation, but the Senate majority rejected his efforts."
Bottom Line-Members of Congress are exempt due to this loophole.
I looked up and read Sec 1312 3:28 and taken in and by itself appears as though it demands congress participate in the exchanges. But then when you go on to read the definitons that they carved out, exemptions are and can be made for congress and staff. With legislation it's all in what they come up with to define certain terms.
Anyone remember thevRyan White story....go look it up sometime and RE-EDUCATE yourselves about HIV and AIDS this isn't 1985 anymore....learn educate and use your common sense.
It HIV or AIDS were not associated with homosexual sexual behavior Leftist rags like the one that posted this would be all for Quarantine. It is sound medical practice to isolate persons with highly contagious disease like T.B. or AIDS. Actually it would benefit the person with HIV to be quarantined from others-they have drastically deficient immune systems and are usually on reverse isolation when hospitalised. Funny how the leftist who wrote this crap doesn't care that The White House and Congress EXEMPTED themselves from Obamacare .
ReplyDeleteTo 11:07, your ignorance about disease is only approached by your ignorance about ObamaCare. AIDS isn't "highly contagious." The HIV virus has to enter your bloodstream in order to get it. You can't just get AIDS from being around someone with AIDS. There's no reason to quarantine anyone with the disease.
ReplyDeleteAnd the White House and Congress didn't exempt themselves from ObamaCare. Do you even know how the law works? It's mainly regulations on insurance companies and directives to states to set up health insurance exchanges and expand Medicaid. How, exactly, would Congress and the President be "exempt" from these things? The only provision that directly applies to individual Americans, the mandate to buy health insurance, applies to everyone in Congress and the executive branch as much as it does to you or me.
11:47 Does anyone know how Obamacare works? Sebellius doesn't even know and she is the person implementing it. Put it this way, The White House and Congress will have access to Health Care that isn't afforded to the average citizen--feel better now? The point about isolating an HIV person for their OWN benefit obviously escaped you. Wish there was a law to quarantine leftists Democrats.
ReplyDelete11:47-I'm not 11:07 but I DO know how Obamacare works so let me explain it to you. While Congress and the President did not directly and technically "emempt" themselves from it they did manage to "exempt" themselves from it. While for the rest of us, Obamacare is state controlled and we are going to be limited to the choices of plans we can pick from otherwise be penalized, Congress and the President have their own little corner governing their health care called the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program.
ReplyDelete"Republican Senators Chuck Grassley (Iowa) and Tom Coburn (Oklahoma) tried to close this loophole, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) wouldn’t even let it come up for a vote. As Grassley says, “It’s only fair and logical that top administration officials, who fought so hard for passage of this overhaul of America’s health care system, experience it themselves. If it’s as good as promised, they’ll know it first-hand. If there are problems, they’ll be able to really understand them, as they should.”
"It's mainly regulations on insurance companies"
ReplyDeleteWrong! Please please please go read the bill! The only regulations are on consumers who purchase health insurance.
Whereas as before a young otherwise healthy young person had the option of purchasing low premium high deductable plans that will be no more. The plans will still be available but if the plan is not a state "approved" "choice" you will be held to a penalty taken out of your taxes if due a refund or added if you pay income tax. The penalty is 2% of your yearly income.
You were sold the bill of goods I can see.
Reminds me of Obama, writing indefinite detentions of US Citizens in the NDAA, claiming he'll veto, and then signing the legislation but saying he'll never use the powers he gave himself.
ReplyDeleteThere's no regulation on insurance companies in Obamacare. They touted Obamacare as insurance companies having to insure everyone regardless but that was already addressed in Clinton's HIPAA, The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996.
ReplyDeleteAnother falsehood that took off was that everyone would be entitled to healthcare when the fact it it's not healthcare but healthcare COVERAGE-which anyone making over just under $10,000 a year will be required to purchase or they will be fined or "taxed" as the Supreme Court called it.
I don't have a problem with everyone contributing something toward their healthcare costs but I do have a problem with a limited number of plans we will have to choose from. These approved plans basically benefit the insurance companies the most.
Persons that can get exemptions as well-Conscientous objectors to "insurance" --MUSLIMS
ReplyDeleteExactly 12:29--Leftist love to obscure the truth. Like Clinton what the definition of "is" is, EXEMPTION means they will get access quickly and unquestionably. Just like "affordable housing" is taxpayer funded and subsidised. The Democrat script is really getting old.
ReplyDelete11:47 That's funny. Best laugh of the day my friend.
ReplyDeleteThat comment was pretty funny wasn't it 1:36 considering Obamacare was crafted and written by insurance companies. This is why hard core leftist such as Howard Dean hate it.
ReplyDeleteWhat's not funny is not only how uninformed people are like 11:47 but how easily they are brainwashed by propaganda.
11:47 here again. I realize ObamaCare is a complicated bill, but I didn't realize that it was so complicated since none of you have any idea what you are talking about.
ReplyDeleteTo clear the air, I'm opposed to it and think it's horrible legislation. However, unlike any of you, I actually know what I'm opposing.
To 12:35 -- those regulations aren't on consumers, they are regulations on insurance companies that limit what they can sell to consumers.
To 12:53 -- I'd urge you to actually look at the legislation or even a summary of it. There is a huge amount of regulation on insurance companies in the bill. Yes, these regulations end up impacting consumers because it limits their choice in the marketplace, but the regulations are on the companies, not on the people who buy from the companies.
To 12:11 -- Beginning in 2014, members of Congress and their staff no longer have access to FEHBP. They have to buy insurance through the exchanges. See Section 1312 of the bill.
Once again, 11:17 here. I love that you call me "uninformed," 3:25. I guess to people here, being "uninformed" means not getting all your information from e-mail forwards. Considering that I get paid to know what's in health care legislation like ObamaCare, I'd say that I'm pretty far from being "brainwashed by propaganda," unless by that phrase you mean "reading and analyzing the text of the legislation."
ReplyDelete"To 12:35 -- those regulations aren't on consumers, they are regulations on insurance companies that limit what they can sell to consumers"
ReplyDeleteWrong. The companies can sell whatever they want and people can still buy whatever they want but if the plan is not an approved one they will be fined. That is why the IRS is overseeing Obamacare and that is why those touting it have always said you can keep you same plan if you want but never mentioning there are strings attached to it.
3:28 There is no limit on what can be sold to consumers. You will still be able to buy whatever plan you want but a tax as high as 40% in come cases will be applied to what they are terming a "Cadillac Plan." They even call it the "Cadillac Plan Tax."
ReplyDelete3:28-Again what you say is "technically" correct but you seem to not be aware of the "loophole" involved which doesn't "technically" and "directly" "exempt" them from Obamacare but exempts them "technically" and indirectly.
ReplyDeleteIn plain English-
"On page 157 of the healthcare bill, a provision mandates that members of Congress and their staff purchase insurance within the health insurance exchanges. Unfortunately, the definition of “congressional staff” exempts shared employees, leadership staff, and committee staff. The President, Vice President and Executive Branch political appointees are also curiously exempt from participation in the exchanges.
Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), as ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, received committee approval of an amendment to require all congressional staff and members of Congress, without exception, to participate in the health insurance exchanges, along with other Americans. Later, during closed-door reworking of the legislation, majority staff carved out leadership and committee staff from the exchange requirement. Grassley sought to close the loophole with legislation, but the Senate majority rejected his efforts."
Bottom Line-Members of Congress are exempt due to this loophole.
I looked up and read Sec 1312 3:28 and taken in and by itself appears as though it demands congress participate in the exchanges. But then when you go on to read the definitons that they carved out, exemptions are and can be made for congress and staff.
ReplyDeleteWith legislation it's all in what they come up with to define certain terms.
Knowing that persons like 11:47 are paid to interpret and implement Obamacare is very unsettling.
ReplyDeleteAnyone remember thevRyan White story....go look it up sometime and RE-EDUCATE yourselves about HIV and AIDS this isn't 1985 anymore....learn educate and use your common sense.
ReplyDelete