In THIS STORY by Jeanna Bryner she says:
"All parents want smart children," said study researcher Murray Straus of the University of New Hampshire. "This research shows that avoiding spanking and correcting misbehavior in other ways can help that happen."
One might ask, however, whether children who are spanked tend to come from backgrounds in which education opportunities are less or inherited intelligence lower.
OK, this lady needs to stay at home and make samiches. I mean, first of all, how many parents are scared to death to hit their child these days anyway! Verbal beatings are just as bad as physical beatings, yet there's no mention of that.
Anyhow, if you're anywhere near my age you experienced beatings like there's no tomorrow. Today, if a kid calls his Mother a biotch, Jonathan, you stop that now, shame on you. Back in the 1960's, WHACK! Bet you never called your Mother a biotch again! Oh, how stupid of us. See Mom, it's all your fault.
What was crime like back in the 1960's versus today? I guess if you live a pampered life you're sure to have a much higher IQ. See what happens when you give a voice to a bunch of liberals.
All I can tell you is, the Eastern Shore must have had a TON of registered voters who had the crap beat out of them because they sure did vote for a bunch of winners as their elected officials.
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Dee, Dee, Deeee
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Ok, so this is supposed to be a scientific study. It may be true, but the methodology must be scrutinized before deciding to except the researchers conclusions. This is how science works so cut all the liberal vs. conservative BS
ReplyDeleteTwo quick points:
1) Spank the mess out of your kids if they deserve it
2) recognize that spanking is never the be all, end all. And it might be the absolute wrong thing to do for some kids.
Spanking huh, how bout a belt wrapped around a fist and punches.
ReplyDeleteDon't spank your kid and he will grow to be so smart:smart ass, and while he is in prison, he can be the jailhouse attny.
ReplyDeleteIf the kids need it spank them. I have only used it in rare occasions so it would have more impact when I did. I have used it if they have put them selfs or others in danger. I may threatened it if their mouths runith thy over but never had to in that case. They are honer role students for the record.
ReplyDeleteSpanked kids stay out of jail. Time out kids, well go to jail
ReplyDeleteBeing a little too curious for my own good, I got my arse whipped quite a bit, though I could tuck it under pretty good. That dang fly swatter hurts, especially when you have a dress on.
ReplyDeleteI never spared the rod on my children, and for that, it was rare that I had to resort to the rod. They always knew that the line had been crossed by the look of fire they would get and that was enough to say "uh oh".
They now all have above intelligence IQ's, good careers, two of them, dealing with kids. They in turn, do not spare the rod or tolerate much disrespect, which I am glad to see.
People with lower IQs beat their kids. The kids then grow up with lower IQs and beat their kids. It would be rare to have a high IQ kid come from a low IQ parentage. Sorry, but true. What you learn, you repeat.
ReplyDeletethis day and time everyone has an answer to something. and all these studies..hog wash...
ReplyDelete1st off if spanking made a kid stupid then how in the world did we get all the smart people we have? and u know dog on well kids back in the day got spanked..look at george washington.. heck he got one heck of a beating for cutting down that tree didnt he??? lol..
this woman who is saying this please someone give her a job at wally world...keep her busy...
she more than likely does not have kids..lol.. and if she does she more than likely shoves their face in a book all the time...now thats abuse..haha
A few spankings while I was a kid taught me really fast to be polite and respect my parents wishes. Time out would have never done that.
ReplyDeleteYou did not cross my parents or you were held accountable... in turn my childern... no one in my family has ever been in troble with the law... Well said 12:11 these kids these days who were spared the rod and put in "time out" ... well... still have to be put in time out only with guards
ReplyDeleteOne could theorize that people that spank children have less tolerance, ie less intelligence, and therefore have less intelligent children. You have to take a bunch of kids who have bright parents and take them away and then give them to some Chris Brown types and then study them. Thats what I would od anyway
ReplyDelete@ Anonymous 12:19:
ReplyDeleteI never knew that reading is considered abuse. If that's what you believe, maybe you should be the one working at Wal-Mart.
And the story of George Washington cutting down a cherry tree is a myth. You'd probably know that if you bothered to read once in a while.
you must have been spanked every day then.
ReplyDeleteWhat a bunch of BS! spanking is very effective if it is used sparingly.I am guessing the moron who authored this study has no kids.
ReplyDelete12:18
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference in "beating" a kid and spanking them. "sorry, but true"? Prove it. Mine is 111, and I got spanked more than once. What's yours?
What a load of crap !! That's whats wrong with kids today, No disipline. A time out doesn't quite get your attention as well as a good all american tail whooping.Believe me , I grew up in the sixties and got my fair share. Taught me respect.
ReplyDeleteI still think they need to bring back corporal punishment to schools. When I was in elementary school good old Norman Conway was Vice Principle of Pinehurst and got me with the meat sucker once (the meat sucker is the paddle with holes drilled in it). I tell you I never acted up again in that school. I had to wait until High School to be a bonehead.
ReplyDeleteAnother liberal study based on a desired outcome costing tax payers millions . Social engineering 101 !
ReplyDelete12:18 someone needs to beat you!
ReplyDeleteSpank the crap out of them...they learn respect REAL fast! That's what's wrong with kids today, most of them just need a good a$$ spanking! How many kids do you know that got spanked still disrespected whomever delivered the spanking...not many. All that my dad had to do was to look at me with the "look" and by butt straightened up right away, because I knew what was coming next if I didn't straighten up! Flyswatters were my mom's favorite corporal punishment tool. She would burn my legs up if I acted up. I deserved it every time too.
ReplyDeleteI only had to get spanked once in my lifetime, and I learned QUICK not to cross my parents again! it should eb used depending on the child, spanking is not ALWAYS the right thing for EVERY child. but let me tell you, if my child ever crossed me, I would spank their butt, parents need to stop basing their PARENTING on magazine's and "research". if you cant figure out how to raise your children on your own, Dont have them! its not hard & birth control is free!
ReplyDeletetime out for me was when mom took time out from spanking me and dad took over and I deserved every one I got..and more
ReplyDeleteI use spanking as punishment, & my kids make A's & B's... thats BS!! That is what is wrong with kids today, NOT ENOUGH DISCIPLINE!
ReplyDeleteWe have never ever hit either of our children (both are now teenagers). They are at least average intelligence (good grades) and are the sweetest people in the world.
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine hitting my child.
Try talking to them. Treat them as if they were people. That way, they will grow up to be . . . people.
No great mystery there!
Ask a teacher !
ReplyDeleteI seemed to only get in trouble in the summertime when my was washing dishes. That wet hand on my thigh made me straighten up real quick. I dont think my dad ever spanked me at all. He did however come down the hall snapping his belt lol Once you heard that you knew to straighten up real quick. I grew up just fine.
ReplyDeleteFear based mind control.
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Complete B.S
ReplyDelete140 IQ and my mother didn't spare the rod
I was spanked, not beat. I didn't grow up hating my parents or getting into any real trouble. As for my IQ, seems if there is an issue it would be caused by the school system.
ReplyDeleteAnyone with patience and intelligence doesn't need to raise their hand or even their voice to a child or a dog. Encouragement and instruction is what they need to turn out just fine. Most of our criminal street thugs were raised by parents with shi* for brains, who beat and cussed them everyday of their miserable lives.
ReplyDeleteSometimes a young person just turns out to be a degenerate violent criminal no matter how you raise them. These thugs are a menace to society and should be strapped in the electric chair or lethal injection chamber. This cures ALL bad behavior in most individuals.
TAL
I bet all these people committing these armed robberies, home invasions, rapes, assault, etc.etc. where given time outs (or not) instead of whacks. they turned out real smart didnt they?
ReplyDeleteThe greatest form of child abuse is parents NOT telling kids no when they need to or spanking when it is needed
ReplyDeleteso thomas, you won't spank them when their are young, but you will kill them when they are older.
ReplyDeleteAnd where do you guys get your facts from? "street thugs were raised by parents with sh*t for brains".I really get tired of people spouting whatever crap that comes to mind
My father used to beat the heck out of us. I remember being picked up and thrown across the room. My IQ is 128. Make of that what you will.
ReplyDelete9:59,
ReplyDeleteNo, I never spanked or yelled at my kids or dogs. I gave them love, positive reinforcement and instruction. The kids are now very nice, respectful, loving adults with good jobs. The dogs have no jobs but are happy, friendly and obedient. They love praise & do anything not to dissapoint me. This is much better than having them obey out of fear.
Please, just talk to or read statistics about a representative group of young violent criminals. Most of their parents were abusive, verbally & physically, and most were of below average IQ. A significant number of these parents were, themselves, involved in drugs and crime. Perhaps it is you who should check the background statistics for the overwhelming majority of violent criminals!
And, yes, regardless of background, once a child is grown and becomes a violent menace to the decent portion of society, fry them. They would happily kill you or your family members for their next hit of crack or whatever other motivation they have.
A judge recently ruled that a married couple, both second generation severely mentally handicapped persons couldn't have children. His ruling stated something like, "two generations of morons is enough for society to bear." The same ruling should apply to habitual criminals and drug addicts, since any children they produce will, statistically,
be the next generation of druggies and violent criminals. Young people learn what they see!
TAL
Thomas-
ReplyDeleteYou so crazy.....I think I want to have your baby.
2:44
ReplyDeleteThank you very much. Leave me your name and phone number or brief e-mail stating why you would be a good mother to my child. I will put you on a list for consideration in this matter. Even if the attempt at reproduction is unsuccessful, because of my advanced education at C.I.S.G., I can assure you that you will find the exercise in reproductive preliminaries extremely pleasant, enlightening and, perhaps, even the highlight of life, itself. Many women have told me, Thomas, you are so much more than a man; you are the meaning of the universe."
TAL
From the looks of the majority of comments to this blog, one could infer that the eastern shore has a lot of under-educated, child abusing parents, continuing the traditions that were passed on to them by their parents. They will ignore science when it doesn't conform to their beliefs. Violence against children is wrong, counter productive, and ineffective at behavior modification. Much research has be done on this (learning about it is called education). Just because parents spank/beat their kids, doesn't make it "right" for those kids to grow up and beat their kids. That is just ignorance. Some of these comments make me think we live in Appalachia, regardless of the "claimed" IQ's. Those of us who know better, think the child spankers/beaters are just uninformed (perhaps ignorant),until they open their mouths AND REMOVE ALL DOUBT! If those people think it is right and correct for them to spank their children, then perhaps they think it would be okay if their boss would spank/beat them when they do something wrong (not likely!). It's abuse, nothing more, or less. And those people in prison...statistics show the vast majority were spanked, beat, and abused by their parent (most seem to come from single parent homes!) There is NO research to show that spanking is effective at behavior modification. Spanking is just an un-educated response to try and control a child when a parent does not have the proper education and psychological tools to effectively manage and teach their children. Because they don't know any better, they pretend it is "right" and okay to do what their parents did to them. For those of you that think it is right, just try it in public and let me see you. I'll have social services on you in a heartbeat! Our goverment had to pass laws for all the ignorant people that can't tell right from wrong when it comes to raising children. Yeah, I was beat by a child abusing, controlling, uneducated parent. I didn't go to prison. Instead, I got a higher education (on my own), learned what was done to me was wrong (and nowadays, illegal), and vowed to not make the same mistakes my father made. He didn't make me "love" him by beating me. He made me fear him while growing up, and resent him until the last breath that he drew. I am still trying to forgive him for his ignorance, but it is hard. He spoke of the abuse that he "administered" to his children just like the people in this blog justify their spanking of their children. He never learned or admitted it was wrong, even as his chidren refused to come to his aid with the infirmities of his age. It could have been different if not for the abuse. You reap what you sow. Love your children. Teach your children. Guide your children. But don't spank or beat your children. It is not necessary and it can come back to haunt you in ways you can never imagine.
ReplyDeletePeople need to be reinforced on the fine line between discipline and abuse.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I believe all children need a good crack at some point, but only when it is needed and you explain to them that their actions are unacceptable and that they can and must do better.
I absolutely HATE to hear oblivious individuals say that spanking determines wrether children have respect, high IQs, low IQs and what not. BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING DO DO WITH IT.
If excessive spanking makes children more smarter or wiser, than why isn't the entire world population the epitomy of spiritual enlightenment, and academic achievement. Most of us don't eve know real truth about anything, hate to hear another's opinion, and hate to hear or accept information outside of accepted belief.
All of you who claim that you are so straight, because you got your asses beat, come up with some better evedence, because from how I see it. There have been lowlife criminals in ALL generations, ans the previous generations are responsible for how today's generations act.
If you do not read neither will your children, if you speak improperly, so will they, if you they grow up seeing you act like fool making an ass out of yourself so will they, if they grow up hearing you cursing like a loud sapphire all day, they will do the same, and when you beat/hit EXCESSIVELY, they will do the same to anyone.
Many of you spouting the spear the rod, spoil the child rhetoric, came from the first generation of MASS drug addicts, drug dealers, gang bangers, prison drop-ins, school drop outs,etc. And Plenty of them got their arses kicked and look how they ended up....Go Figure
Plenty of those same spare the rod spoil the childres and childees schooled the recent generations on how to do what we see them do now. Media and Hollywood just makes ignorance even worse because it encourages it...
And for the record, anyone who throws a child against a wall needs their ass kicked....That's not discipline, that's abuse sweetie.
Some of the most horrible people I have known were spanked as children, why didn't it work for them??? My mother hit me twice and never had to do it agin. Instead she raised me with strict cultural standards and good conversations.
I had all A's & B's. never disrespected my mom, and I have succeeded farther than some of those same people I grew up with who were beat constantly and curssed everyday, who some now are on drugs, convicts, single parents, cum-buckets, etc, because I studied hard in AND out of school where I learned even more.
People have to get out of that 'do as I say, not as I do' mentality. If you want respectable, loving, intelligent, good-natured children, you MUST lead by example.....