Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until on day, the owner threw th em a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20."Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).< BR>The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.
"I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!"
"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not sh ow up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
Interesting story Joe and it sure does show how our tax system works. It is fair to most until changes are made in the system, that affects some of the payers more than others. However, it is a good system and right now happens to be all we have. Hell, we could be taxed like Denmark, where you give up lots more of your pay in taxes, but health care is free for all and some other perks are free. Actually, I think the flat tax will do best for us, if we could get it passed.
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"FAIR TAX"!!!Read and be informed.
ReplyDeleteI like it! Thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteI am a poor working man.
ReplyDeleteGive back the taxes i pay , because it is of use to no one.
Does the dear professor understand that.
Ahh.. But the rich man knows the bar owner, and he was slipping him the good beer while the rest were drinking BudLite. The owner also gives the rich guy a lucrative contract for supplying the beer.
ReplyDeleteLook, the operation of the government benefits the rich, so it's only fair that the rich pay the bulk of the cost. Look at our federal agencies. Who do they primarily benefit?
Federal court system: The poor? the middle class? No, the rich.
The Department of Agriculture: The poor? the middle class? No, the rich.
The Department of Energy: The poor? the middle class? No, the rich.
The Security and Exchange commission: The poor? the middle class? No, the rich.
The Department of Health and Human Services: The poor? the middle class? Wait... That one really does help the poor and the middle class, but they've got a special tax. It's the payroll tax and rich people don't even pay that tax.
And where does all that corporate welfare go?? TO THE RICH!!!
The bottom line is that the rich benefit most from the operation of the government, so it's only fair that they should pay the lion's share.
Fair is fair!
To Mr. "Fair is Fair"
ReplyDelete1. Do you personally know anyone that makes over $100,000?? A close friend or relative. I seriously doubt that you do.
2. If you do, ask them how much they pay in federal taxes each year. It will probably be more than you make in a year!
3. Now ask that person what they got from the federal gov't last year? Any welfare? No! Any WIC? No! Any Food Stamps? No! Any unemployment?? No! Any free healthcare or medical supplies at clinics?? No!
"Fair is Fair", you have absolutely no idea what you are writing about. One of my best friends still lives on the shore. He makes about $150k a year, and pays about $55,000 a year in taxes!!!!!!!!!!! Can you honestly tell him he got his money's worth for that $55k? Hell no!
The only benefit he gets is security - from outside attack, theft, dishonest people, whatever. And half the time, he doesn't even get that.
And you probably think he doesn't pay enough.
BC in NC
if he's making $150K a year and is paying $55K in taxes, he's not that smart or has a terrible financial advisor....get some tax shelters like 401(k), Keough, tax-free bonds, etc., etc. You just bestowed upon us his ignorance rather than his 'plight' of paying too much tax...
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ReplyDelete1. Yes I do. I earn more then $200k per year. And some of my friends do too.
2. Yes. I do know what I pay in taxes.
3. And, yes. The operation of the Federal and local governments serve my interests quite well.
Really.. The government spends a heck of a lot of money, and surprisingly little of that actually goes to the poor and the middle class that isn't paid for by a special tax that's paid mainly by them (e.g payroll tax for SS, gasoline tax for roads,...)
Finally, I would not mind seeing the Bush tax cuts expire. It would be a good thing. IMHO, The deficit is doing more harm than the tax...
If the tax rate was 100%, how much money would the government collect. Damn near ZERO! Sure a few libs would work for free, but most people wouldn't.
ReplyDeleteIsn't the purpose of the income tax to raise money for the government?
And wouldn't you want to raise as much as possible?
Do tax revenues collected go up when rates go down? Yup, have every time! ask JFK!
Do tax revenues go down when rates go up. Yup.
Kinda like when a business is a little slow, and they need more revenue, they have a ...SALE.
How many sales have you seen advertising higher prices???
Anon 3:10, if YOU want to pay more taxes, YOU go right ahead. Give them your whole check, and then let them tell you how to live every waking moment of your life.
and btw, 55 is only slightly more than a 1/3 of 150, and I'm pretty sure the top rate is higher than 33%, so i guess my friend should cheat on his taxes? is that what you do??
BC
Has anyone gotten the point? It is a simple exercise in math. If you offer a tax cut and distribute it to all people who actually pay taxes and do it reasonably, in terms of dollars the people who pay the most will always get the biggest break. It is a structural part of the system. If you look at it in percentage terms, the tenth man receives the smallest relief. In the end everyone was better off. Period. Obviously, this is a simplified version, but you need to know the basic foundation before you can enact policy. Could they have divided the money differently? Sure, you could have given all the break to the 5th-9th guy, and none to the rich. The point at the end, is that you abuse a person (which includes not giving them part of a break), they will change their behavior and there are consequences to that too. Keep in mind that the tax code is so complicated, it is difficult to pinpoint a group to simply just raise or cut taxes on. It usually affects everyone.
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