Well.....it seems as though the Massachusetts legislature is moving toward one of the most blatant violations of parents rights since enacting laws permitting schools to provide birth control without the permission of the parents.
They are entertaining legislation now that would OUTLAW spanking. All anyone has to do anymore is to initiate a most ridiculous plan and push it forward under the auspices of being in the "best interest of the children" and it will pass. We can all rest assured that any further tying of the hands of parents with new laws concocted by wacko, left wing social workers with a Ph. D. will get the same results they always have - more children without boundaries becoming juvenile delinquents and ultimately adult criminals.
Spare the rod......spoil the child. If it's in the Bible, how can it be a lie?
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Do we really need to go into the question of whether the Bible is always right? Issue number one: slavery is good and natural. Discuss.
ReplyDeleteThere are many more creative ways to raise a good kid other than by spanking them.
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Don't get me started on the literal translation of the Bible. I will say, Massachusetts is at one end of the spectrum and Arkansas public schools, where they still implement "paddling" with a wooden board, is at the other end of the spectrum. Is either side correct?
ReplyDeleteThere is a difference between spanking and beating a child, I think we can all agree on that. I don't disagree with spanking but I strongly disagree with beating a child. The reason we have so many laws against parenting is we have so many kids that are parents. People are either to lazy to be a parent or to young, sometimes both. Being a parent is a full time job. If people raised their kids instead of TV and expecting school teachers to do it for them kids wouldn't be so out of control. Raising a child is easy, training them is what requires time, love and patience. The ever so busy lives people live doesn't allow time or patience for their kids. Twenty bucks, a pizza for dinner is pretty much the way it is for kids these days.
ReplyDeleteI have three, FF, and none of them have ever been suspended from school let alone in legal trouble....and I heated thier asses when they needed it. I got it when I was a kid and am a better person for it. Everything the govt. puts thier noses in turns to sh*t - the more laws they make regarding kids, the more kids become delinquents.....look at the numbers.
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ReplyDeleteThe last thing we need as a country is the government in any state creating new regulations on a personal issue. What ever happened to personal responsibility?? This is a personal right as a parent on how THEY want to discipline their own children. So what if it makes you feel uncomfortable if they spank, not beat their children in a public area. Government already has way to much power, this is absolutely absurd.
As a teacher, and as someone old enough to remember when a teacher could pull you out of your seat and spank you before you were sent to the office for another spanking, I believe that when it is used properly, corporal punishment is a very effective deterrent.
ReplyDeleteIt has been nearly 29 years since I was in first grade, and I remember to this day in vivd detail times when our teacher would pull kids out and tan their rears for behaving badly. Trust me, it forms an impression on you quick. I believe that a lot of the problems with the way children behave and carry themselves today is a response to the coddling they receive from most every aspect of their lives.
I am a Democrat and as liberal as the next tree-hugger, but this "let's allow the children to decide for themselves and control their own choices" B.S. is unrealistic and counter-productive.
I agree with Anon 9:59. No one is talking about sanctioned abuse of children. And schools should not be a place where any of that happends anymore, but letting children know who is boss and what the limits are is a positve step in shaping them to become model citizens, and decent people. And there are precious few of those anymore....
We had a parent/teacher conference the other day at Delmar Elementary. Fortunately our Grandson is doing VERY well, especially compared to his past before he arrived to our home.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the teacher explained how just that day a student got angry and threw everything he had at his desk all over the floor and was completely out of control.
The teacher then explained how she needs to look into another profession because more and more teachers have had enough. There are far too many students in the class room and the parents are doing nothing to discipline their children.
We're losing more and more quality teachers because of this and I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.
Unfortunately, experiences like the one Joe speaks of are far too common, and not just limited to Elementary school. If that child is acting out in such a manner now and nothing changes, by the time he or she hits high school it will be a nightmare for anyone coming into contact with them.
ReplyDeleteThere are days when, as a teacher, you really want to just go home and night, sit in a quiet room, and have a few drinks to calm your nerves. Situations like the one described to not happen everyday, but are common enough so that every teacher knows of them, and hopes it does not happen to them the next day.
But, you keep plugging away and hope you get through to the students that do actually care and try hard between the episodes of the others around them. Sometimes, though, you question what you got yourself into, and fear for the future of our society.
My children all had "swats" on the behind to get their attention and to refocus. We never used anything but an open hand to the butt. I never had to paddle either one of them. All three turned out to be fantastic adults. I have seen parents try to reason with a totally out of control toddler. Just doesn't make sense and it won’t work. Time out corner worked for all minor problems, but when that didn’t then a swat was called for. We tried to be very consistent. It wasn’t very often that a swat was needed, but they knew it could happen. My wife and I had a phrase "NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR" the kids knew what it meant. They stopped doing what they were doing and paid attention. We were blessed with three wonderful children, but we both worked hard at parenting. We did not depend on teachers or anyone else to raise our children.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with a quick swat to get a kid's attention when he or she is doing something dangerous. I do have a huge problem with a teacher spanking a kid, though! No doubt children are behaving poorly in school, and no doubt the parents are largely to blame. I'm am not against discipline at all, which is a starkly different thing than spanking. I'm sure some parents are capable of spanking their kids with good results, and others start down the road of abuse this way. I'm also sure that many of those discipline problems in your schools are/were spanked at home. For every anecdote you can cite of good kids who were spanked, I can cite an anecdote of good kids who were not spanked. So that gets us nowhere. If it is possible to raise really good kids without resorting to spanking, why wouldn't you?
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I think it's hillarious how so many Anonymous Parents posting here don't use their names when they state they beat their kids asses when they're out of line. NOT that I blame any of you. You just have to admit it's funny.
ReplyDeleteJoe, you are totally right about teachers leaving the field. I am one of them. I have taught for 12 years and am totally burnt out. I don't know about spanking but I know kids need limits and structure.
ReplyDeleteEverytime I hear of classes being overcrowded I think back to my first grade class of 43 girls and 1nun. How did that 1 nun ever manage all of us girls? I'll tell you how, she put the fear of God in you. When she said sit, you sat. When she said quiet, you got quiet quick or you knew the consequences. Not all the nuns spanked us, some had a deadly aim with an eraser, some swatted you with a pointer others cracked your knuckles with a ruler. Some of them even put us in the cloak room for a time out. Not once in all of my years of education did I hear either of my classmates utter a disrespectful word to either of these Sisters of St. Joseph. The same thing at home, we didn't dare talk back to our parents or our adult neighbors. We were taught respect, another thing lacking in children today.
ReplyDeleteSometimes I wish Gloria Steinem would have stayed under her rock. Women would have stayed home and done the most important job of all, raising their kids. Besides Gloria Steinem and her movement never opened any doors for me, I banged them all down on my own.
Donna (who did spank her kids and now spanks her grandkids)
It is a parent's responsibility to exert external control over a child who is too young or has never learned internal control. reasoning with a toddler is like trying to reason with a hungry grizzly bear....... just won't work!!!
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect, none of us banged the doors down all on our own--your ability to go to school, own a business, write on this blog, open a bank account, serve on a jury, have custody of children, and vote (among many other things) was due to the brave work of people before you, including Gloria Steinem.
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FF, I'll agree with your statement.
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my kids won't allow my grandchildren to stay with me cause I make 'em behave & have occasionally smacked a butt. but they are very well behaved & rarely need it.
ReplyDeleteThis is a perfect example of government out of control, mandatory "Time Outs?"
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