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Sunday, January 08, 2017

Salisbury Elks Lodge Looking For A Bailout

The Salisbury Elks Lodge is looking for $1,500,000.00 to renovate and upgrade just the building alone. 

In my honest opinion, the sad part about many of these non profit organizations, (much like liberal elected officials) tend to ignore infrastructure, upkeep and maintenance. All too often, in the end, it's the shock factor. I'm broke, everyone else help me!

Well start a Go Fund Me account and see how fast you raise money. The next thing we know we'll see Mayor Day running to the Council asking for a check. 

In business, you either survive or you fail. How these people can come out at the last minute and claim, OMG, our roof is leaking really bad, like they didn't know that already! You mean to tell me you don't have members that do roofing? You mean you've ignored the stains in the ceilings for years and did nothing? 

If you refuse to use a percentage of your funds to maintain your facility, why should ANYONE believe that IF they donated almost two million dollars that the next millennial generations running the place will keep it up, NOT. 

It's time to let go and sell the property to someone who knows how to run and maintain a professional business. Stop asking the public to "bail you out" the millennial way. 

114 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's the millennials fault? No, Joe, it's your generation messing up. Who ran the banks in the ground? Who bailed them out? The loser hippie generation. Same schmucks ruining higher education.

Anonymous said...

same smucks running the government for the last 25 years! same smucks voting for them!

Anonymous said...

The Elks do a lot for the community. Instead of complaining, why not support them and their mission???

Anonymous said...

As a long time member of the Elks you have no idea what you are talking about.

Anonymous said...

Cannot believe you posted this. The Elks Lodge has donated more time and money to the community then you can imagine. Why do you have to put them down? You know Joe, you can be so pessimistic about certain things, this is not a road to go down. This organization is one of the best in the United states with over 2100 Lodges. They give out more Student Scholarships than anyone in the US, besides the US Government. Maybe if you get involved, you would understand what Elks is all about.

JoeAlbero said...

As for millennials, I didn't blame them. I said, WHY would ANYONE make a $1.5 million investment when in fact it will be the millennials, (we all get a trophy) who will be running the place down the road.

Many of these non profits are closing. Not because MY GENERATION failed you millennials, MY GENERATION built these facilities and supported them as long as we could. Now that it's YOUR turn to support them, you pansies won't pony up a dime and instead believe all taxpayers should keep them afloat. Hence my title, bailout.

As for the Elks doing a lot for the community, do share. Tell us what you do. Sell us on why we should pony up $1.5 million to fix what you failed to maintain.

8:54, you Idiots wanted to elect another LIBERAL, (not my generation) to continue to bail out the banks. Heck, let's go even further. Social Security, Solar, Auto Manufacturers, other Countries and the list goes on and on.

WE elected Trump to STOP you pieces of crap from completely destroying everything we conservatives built. Oh, that's right, it was your guy Obama who said we didn't build our businesses, I forgot.

JoeAlbero said...

To the members attacking me, (rejected) let's stop the BS right here and now.

This post is about YOU failing to maintain an incredible property.

You fail to express just what it is you do locally that sells us on why we should invest into rebuilding something you ignored.

You can attack me all you want but with tens of MILLIONS of hits, (a much larger audience then Elks Members) you need to answer to why your hands are out.

This is your grand opportunity to prove me wrong. Some investments are for the LAND and some are for valuable structures. Tell everyone what the Elks does for the community. Show us how we'll see a $1.5 million return on OUR investment.

If you can't do that, then shut up and go away.

Anonymous said...

2100 lodges sounds like a good place to start asking for money instead of tax dollar bailout.

Anonymous said...

the elks only donate to the community because the law says they have to. if they weren't forced to give away half of their slot revenue, trust me, they damn sure wouldn't. i'm with you joe, I wouldn't give em 10 cents.

Anonymous said...

So let me get this right.....they want community support for a private club?? They're are many other organizations/private clubs who also donate time and $$$ to the community and I've never heard of any of them asking the public to help them out financially. How low can you stoop Jann?

Anonymous said...

This is not about a bailout from taxpayers. It's an avenue for those interested in preserving an iconic landmark. I suggest those who are not familiar with the Elks to goggle their national website. The Salisbury Elks Lodge has been around this community over 100 years.

Anonymous said...

As an Elks member I was aware that they were talking about renovating. However I was not aware of them asking for any bailouts from taxpayers. The Elks give out many student scholarships. They also donate to many other organizations in the community such as scouts, veterans, etc. The Elks gave over $1,000,000.00
back to the community over the past ten years. Also every Christmas Eve they start at eight in the morning packing boxes and delivering them to needy families with food and blankets in them. So you see they do a lot of good in the community. But as i said i was unaware of any asking for bailouts from the taxpayers. Joe i am a long time reader of your blog. But are you sure you have your facts straight on this one.

Anonymous said...

Just my opinion,ok? Many Exalted Rulers (president) and officers serve to commit to helping others in need. Sometime this comes at the cost and sacrifice of much needed infrastructure maintenance. So, giving to the community, using your heart instead of your head doesn't work. Consider also the obstacles for a focused plan to be integrated. Elections for office are held yearly. Officers change with elections. Similar to our State government, but every four years. With this "obstacle" in place, emphasis on each current slate of officers may change while still employing the philosophy of the Elks. As in any business it is imperative to have a continual action plan for success regardless of who is in office. Unfortunately this changes with new elections. I.e. 2015 national election.

Anonymous said...

i'm not sure who the "leaders" are at the elks but it sure sounds like they have a lot of explaining to do

Anonymous said...

We all know that the Elks and the Moose are the two biggest pickup bars around and also a haven for all the local drunks. The local police could triple their DWI quotas by staking out these joints. However they both give heavily to the local FOP's

Anonymous said...

The building is old and run down, the pool is getting ready to slide down the hill, the golf course looks like an old run down Chicago playground. I think there's only 1 thing left to do - turn it into section 8 housing.

Unknown said...

The elks club is a great organization, they have given me college scholarships, supported the Boy Scouts that use the facilities including a major portion of my eagle project.

I am planning on making a donation to their cause and I would bet that many others will too. I am not concerned at all that they won't reach this goal. It because of what they did for me as well a hundreds of other local people and organizations that will hear about this and give. Sad to see the sby news is putting a bad spin on this.

Anonymous said...

"I'm broke everyone else help me" is a perfect statement for this club. They have known for years they were in trouble - membership needs to come up with money or close it down. If you can't afford to have or do something, I always thought you did without, not turn to community to bail you out. Can't afford the club, close it, period.

Anonymous said...

An antiquated relic of a bygone era.

JoeAlbero said...

10:25, Let me say this. Considering they are allowed to have slots, one would think they'd have plenty of money to maintain the building. Did they ever think of raising their drink prices. I mean, IF the members who WANT to be a part of this organization, perhaps they wouldn't mind an additional 50 cents per drink to help pay for the much needed renovations?

Right now the Elks are saying, we gave to the community for all these years, it's time the community help US out.

With all due respect, REALLY?

Well I have several properties, some of which could use some help. Should I reach out to my viewers and ask them for $1.5 million because we too Pay It Forward?

It's exciting you mentioned the $1,000,000.00 paid out over the last 10 years, I'll look into that. That's around $9,800.00 a month, WOW! Hard to believe, but wow. Can someone there send me evidence of that.

In the mean time, the Elks are asking for $1.5 million right away, or as a fundraiser. Are we to believe you actually have a million dollars worth of repairs/renovations to MAINTAIN that building, because I'm NOT buying that. I own a LOT of buildings/properties here and elsewhere and let me assure you, you do NOT need a million dollars to repair the roof, replace windows and whatever else I've not mentioned. Sounds to me like you want we the people to UPGRADE the facility, yet it's been proven you refuse to maintain it.

Again, what I'm stating here might be harsh but if I bought one of my kids a used truck and they never maintained it, washed it or changed the oil, should I buy him a Ferrari when he comes to me for a handout/bailout?

This should have been handled another way, much like Volunteer Fire Departments do through fundraisers. Earn it.

Anonymous said...

10:25am There is no taxpayer bailout. The money raise for this project is from Local Community Donations.

JoeAlbero said...

10:43, read my 10:53 comment above.

BAD SPIN????

Is that how you millennials see this?

No, I'm a REALIST.

Stop asking for handouts. ANY decent businessperson would step up and say, we need to spend 20% of our earnings on maintenance every month.

So do tell me who's been running that place over the past 5 to 10 years.

Start thinking out of the box before you lose that place. Start renting some of the space. Perhaps find a caterer who'd be interested in remodeling the kitchen at their expense for a discounted rent for them to operate out of it.

I'll tell you what I'll do on my end. I'll provide an ad here on SBYNews for your Hall Rentals and special events, IF you show you're doing everything you can to raise the money on your own.

Finally, show me how the Elks donated a million dollars over the past 10 years and the ad will be free for one year. It will be my pleasure.

Anonymous said...

In the mean time I'd like to make them an offer for the building and property as is and make a residence out of it.If anyone hasn't noticed it's probably the best or nearly the best home site anywhere around.Another $1 million would make it unbelievably nice.The issue might be separating the acreage and the building from the golf course,but my offer would include everything east of Churchill & south of Southpark.That would still leave the golfers considerable acreage to play on.Just a thought.They probably won't be interested anyway.

Anonymous said...

Here's how you fix it: right now, the average rate on a CD is less than 1 1/2% and the 30-year US Gov't bond is less than 3%.
Issue 1,500 $1000 bonds at a higher rate- say 6 or 7% for 10 years. The Elk's get their funds to fix it and pays around $90-100k per year and the investors get double what they can get in the market.
There- problem solved. Church's do it all the time. My parent's still hold a $25k bond for their church and get above market interest on their investment. it's a win-win.
Question is: can the Elks support debt service at $90-100,000 per year? If not, amortize it over a longer period.
With these low rates, now is the time to finance it. Maybe the county can help them issue Private Purpose bonds and the revenues pay them back.
For every problem, there's usually a simple solution.

Anonymous said...

Joe
I guess there HUGE membership fees a year are being spent elsewhere they rack in millions in fees and county excempt taxes volunteers work there so where has all the $$$ gone ?

Anonymous said...

Time for a IRS Audit.

Anonymous said...

If these places like the Elks want money they should have to go through a IRS AUDIT to see where there issue is ?? See how quick they DONT ask for $.

Anonymous said...

HOW about we make it a homeless shelter for Millinials ?

Anonymous said...

Millinials are the scrooges of the 21st century they beg for everything while staying in mommys and daddus basement on there healthcare till 26 waaaaaaaah lol.

Anonymous said...

Ohhhh this is good top post please.

Anonymous said...

Joe I understand you're really busy running the site and everything but with all of your knowledge in business why don't you tell the people at the Elks hey why not charge at the entrance of the road coming into the Elks when their snow that's on the way in charge the families and the kids to play on the hills there that's in shored by the Elks Lodge that pay all of that insurance that allow the children to play out there and don't charge for it PS I'm not a member just a kid that likes to play in the snow

Anonymous said...

The golf course is a cow pasture! That building has been deteriorating for 20 years and no one within the organization gave a rats a$$. I was a member at one time...in the late 80's-early90's...the place had stench of good old boy favoritism, scratch my a$$, I'll scratch yours kind of stink. I still know people who belong to the 'club' and from what they say it hasn't changed at all.









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Anonymous said...

11:56 Please don't accuse anyone of financial malfeasance unless you have proof. That is called defamation of character.
I'm sure external auditors look at their books on a regular basis.
It's all about decreasing membership and revenue. Almost all civic organizations are in the same boat.

Anonymous said...

No money from us...Shame on the leaders and members of the Elk's for NOT maintaining their facility. YOU are responsible for YOUR own maintenance just like we as homeowners are responsible for our own homes...duh

Anonymous said...

that rat hole cant close soon enough and whoever said the golf course is a cow pasture is being very kind to the elks and very harsh on the cows.

Anonymous said...

2015 Mandatory Donations $83,574
2014 Mandatory Donations $85,928
2013 Mandatory Donations $74,225

Look at the next to last page of each these Federal 990 forms

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/520/520470813/520470813_201503_990O.pdf?_ga=1.32978558.1318482324.1483727858

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/520/520470813/520470813_201403_990O.pdf?_ga=1.32978558.1318482324.1483727858

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/520/520470813/520470813_201303_990O.pdf?_ga=1.32978558.1318482324.1483727858

Anonymous said...

joe the membership has been asked to donate $500 each to help with funding a new roof and a new bar. if u asked the members which one we should do first all of them would say put in a new bar, the roof can wait. that place is filled with drunks, freeloaders, wife cheaters, and gamblers and other losers that would find it difficult to come up with $500 within the next year.

Anonymous said...

11:44 how dare you bring common business sense to this conversation!!

(sarcasm off)

"Now get back in there and SELL SELL SELL!" (1983 - Trading Places)

Anonymous said...

This is why I will no longer support the Salisbury Elks Club. What a F*n JOKE!! As a matter of fact I will not be renewing my membership dues or my annual pool membership.

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Salisbury Elks #817 Citizen of the Year is Mayor Jake Day

The Salisbury Elks Lodge #817 are proud to announce that our 2016 Citizen of the Year is Jake Day. The Elks Citizen of the Year is one of its most prestigious awards. The award goes to someone who works to make the community a better place and through the way they live their life they provide a positive example to others.

A public ceremony is planned for February 25, 2017 at the Salisbury Elks Lodge 401 Church Hill Ave., Salisbury, MD.

For more information, contact Rick Konrad at rddkjeep@gmail.com or 443-754-1625.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
This is not about a bailout from taxpayers. It's an avenue for those interested in preserving an iconic landmark. I suggest those who are not familiar with the Elks to goggle their national website. The Salisbury Elks Lodge has been around this community over 100 years.

January 6, 2017 at 10:24 AM

Goggle? Isn't that eye wear?

Anonymous said...

Joe it sounds like you got these millennial Snowflakes panties twisted in a wad!

Anonymous said...

Rings analogous to our government.
Whatever you do, don't apply any common sense business thinking. The resulting success might offend those that need to be needed.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just my opinion,ok? Many Exalted Rulers (president) and officers serve to commit to helping others in need. Sometime this comes at the cost and sacrifice of much needed infrastructure maintenance. So, giving to the community, using your heart instead of your head doesn't work. Consider also the obstacles for a focused plan to be integrated. Elections for office are held yearly. Officers change with elections. Similar to our State government, but every four years. With this "obstacle" in place, emphasis on each current slate of officers may change while still employing the philosophy of the Elks. As in any business it is imperative to have a continual action plan for success regardless of who is in office. Unfortunately this changes with new elections. I.e. 2015 national election.

January 6, 2017 at 10:32 AM

I.e. 2015 national election.

WTF did you see a 2015 national election?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Joe I understand you're really busy running the site and everything but with all of your knowledge in business why don't you tell the people at the Elks hey why not charge at the entrance of the road coming into the Elks when their snow that's on the way in charge the families and the kids to play on the hills there that's in shored by the Elks Lodge that pay all of that insurance that allow the children to play out there and don't charge for it PS I'm not a member just a kid that likes to play in the snow

January 6, 2017 at 12:07 PM

I was going to post this same statement and I have said the same thing over and over again. Charge a minimum of $5 per person. No carload discounts. $5 per person and $5 per car to park for 4 hours. There is no need to be the public snowflake park and then have to pay repairs on the damaged turf. Put a stop to this ship because most of these leeches aren't even members of the Lodge.

Anonymous said...

Is anybody (Liquor Board, law, IRS) checking the weekly gambling games at Elks (+$40,000 this week's pot)? No, they're too drunk to care. Why are they making the Mayor the Elks Citizen of the Year?

Anonymous said...

221 the Salisbury elks lodge also has the prestigious award given each year to it's MCD (most consistent drunk). this award is one of the highest honors an elk can achieve, you must drink early, daily, and often. right now the elks are the all time leaders in dwi's followed closely by the moose and eagles.

JoeAlbero said...

10:32 said, "Sometime this comes at the cost and sacrifice of much needed infrastructure maintenance".

FOR TEN YEARS?

Sometimes we have to feed our children but we still have to provide HEAT in the winter.

It's about PRIORITIES. Failing to upkeep infrastructure is just plain irresponsible.

Anonymous said...

Short History of the Benevolent and Protective Order of the Elk (BPOE) On November 15, 1867 a small group of actors and entertainers, lead by an English comedy singer organized a drinking club in New York City. The sole purpose of the organization was to circumvent a New York law that closed saloons on Sundays.
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Salisbury Elks takes its 'drinking club' history to new levels every day of the week. It's where the town drunks hang out and then get behind the wheel and try to drive home. What a mess that place is.

JoeAlbero said...

To the person who claims they are an Elks Member who advertises here on SBYNews. Threaten me all you want, we have NEVER been influenced by ANY advertiser. You jackasses think that I am hungry for a hundred dollars a month, go ahead and cancel your ad. I'm sure our viewers will recognize who recently came down and know who you are. Go ahead, pull your ad.

This is EXACTLY why the LIBERAL media is failing. They bend over to Idiots like the person threatening to pull their ad because they disagree or simply want to CONTROL what is said. Goodbye

Anonymous said...

there's not much difference between the elks and a nursing home. both places smell about the same. the average age is about the same, the main difference is the elks still drive (even though they shouldn't)and can't pass a breathalyzer. good luck with your fund raiser.

Anonymous said...

The Elk's has one of the last pools around. A discount hall and very helpful bar and dining staff. It deserves a sustainability study, at least.
Any members out there that are willing to help, step in and volunteer your expertise. That's how problems get fixed around here instead of bitching and complaining.
Shit, most of you sound like a bunch of Hillary supporters.
and, just like schools, the initial price tag is always higher -
the job can probably be done much cheaper, if some members can do some of the work at 'cost'.

Anonymous said...

Joe, I love it when you get steamed. Go get 'em boy!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Is anybody (Liquor Board, law, IRS) checking the weekly gambling games at Elks (+$40,000 this week's pot)? No, they're too drunk to care. Why are they making the Mayor the Elks Citizen of the Year?

January 6, 2017 at 3:18 PM

Why are they making the Mayor the Elks Citizen of the Year?

Excellent question?? That damn Rick Konrad is a dumb ass suck up! Didn't Bob Culver fire that idiot from the County?

Either way I won't be renewing my membership.

Anonymous said...

How come regular members didn't know about the big $1.5 million idea? Heard anyone can buy tickets for the big card gambling game on Thursday--not just Elks members. Is that true?

Anonymous said...

I don't get why this is some sort of news or scandal. So the Elks is having a fundraising campaign to repair their building. Are they forcing anyone to contribute? NO. Has any taxpayer funded municipality or government contributed? NO. Why is this anyone's business except the Elks membership and or their supporters?

Anonymous said...

I'm a regular member and I didn't know about every member needing to pay an additional $500? Who is starting that shit? Please show us where it's at?

Anonymous said...

And Mike Lewis was Elks' first "Citizen" of the Year.

Anonymous said...

Community foundation should not be donating to this.

Anonymous said...

regular member = loser or drunk or both. now go back to playing your slots

Anonymous said...

please close that drunkfest down before someone gets killed on the road. why anyone would pay a fee each year to hang out with this crowd can't be explained

Anonymous said...

some of these comments are tougher than 1 of Roberts steaks

Anonymous said...

the mayor and sheriff are citizens of the year so they won't set up dwi checkpoints outside

Anonymous said...

Private clubs should fund their own business. Period.

ON the other hand, I know a few members including the present ER and she / they are all super nice people and really work hard in the community. We shouldn't condemn all of them in one stroke.

It sounds like the members need to simply pay more into the club. Simple as that.
If they have neglected the place for many years or decades, then it will be very hard to come back through increase memberships alone.

Anonymous said...

Suddenly the Elks need 1.5 million!? Something rotten here. I agree with Joe. There seems to be a trend where asking for hand outs is the norm. They should feel ashamed to be in that position. Good movie to see what I mean- Cinderella Man. Boxer James J. Braddock felt ashamed to ask for hand outs but did so because his family was starving but then paid it all back in the end.

Anonymous said...

Every year a portion of the budget should have gone into a maintenance fund to repair or replace whatever is needed. Whatever is not repaired when needed becomes a future liability likely costing more at a later date. You cannot kick the can further down the road. Sounds like the facility cannot be supported now because past mangers used the "kick the can approach". It may not be feasible now and the facility may have to be sold!!! A hard fact. Unless they can raise donations and get new management it is a no brainer.

Anonymous said...

this is an easy problem to solve, if the elks took all of their empty beer cans to Salisbury steel, they would have more than enough money to put a new bar in.

Anonymous said...

848 they also need to encourage all the vodka drinkers to switch to beer so they would have even more cans

Anonymous said...

The Elks are responsible for this. How could you not have the forsight to have funds set aside for this? These big shot business leaders of the community...yeah what a joke. Bunch of small fish in a small pond acting like whales.

Anonymous said...

You should be ashamed. No one is going to write you a check loser.

Anonymous said...

Amen!!

Anonymous said...

Well said. Let them fail. They are responsible.

Anonymous said...

it's hard to hold a meeting and make sound financial decisions when no one in the room can pass a breathalyzer.

Anonymous said...

@ 8:12 that sounds like Washington DC.

Anonymous said...

I've noticed a lot of these private clubs seem to be struggling maybe if all the clubs were reciprocal with one another they would have more business and still keep out the riff raff.

Anonymous said...

but the clubs all are run by riff raff

Anonymous said...

Has become quite the pickup spot in 'da Bury

Anonymous said...

if I was interested in picking up a hot widow in her mid eighties, the elks would be the first place i'd go

Anonymous said...

rick Konrad and some of his home boys are the financial gurus at the elks club. he got his expertise from running rec and parks, and trust me, it's been a long time since anyone ran that dept that had a clue about anything other than alcohol.

Anonymous said...

As long as Chris Zidanic is running the Elks golf course, they will always be in financial trouble. My dead grandmother knows more about golf course care and management than Chris Zidanic knows. Look how he has killed the Wood Creek golf course and you will see the reasons for the current Elks club problems and immediate future of the Elks golf course. Get rid of Chris Zidanic and the Elks club will grow and improve and no longer have financial problems.

Anonymous said...

The Elks was great at one time. As a teen, went to the pool parties in the 60's the place was well maintained. There is a lot of cash that is generated through the bar, dinners, gambling,etc! Not only here, but other organizations in town. It is quite easy too skim money off the top for a few who deal with it. Something you count for, such as slots. The bar, and dinners intake, not so easy. I hope an audit is required each year for these organizations. Had the buildings been maintained each year, there would not have been a problem as such today. Maybe there needs to be a clean house process here. It is very hard to control when there is a lot of Cash flow. Sometimes hands get sticky, regulars get discount on drinks, prices to low for what is paid for a drink or over pour in drinks. Maybe bars in clubs. Should be privatized, and per cent paid to the club. Anyone around Salisbury along time, knows there has been problems with money handled in Private organization.

Anonymous said...

I resent that comment. I enjoy the consissssetaly cheap men and easy drinks .... wait a minute I mean the easy drunks and the cheap drinks

Anonymous said...

That's EXACTLY what I'm looking for!! A widow, in her mid 80's, with lots of money and a heart condition!!

Anonymous said...

I've been a member of Elks for over 45 yrs. I'll never forget the teen splashes, Friday Night dinners, visiting veterans, delivering food to the needy on Xmas Eve, Halloween and Xmas kid pàrties and swimming for the Elk's swim team (especially the year we were undefeated). The pool was the center of summer activity for my family and friends for decades. Audits are done by the Grand Lodge yearly. The major problem is that fraternal organizations are not attracting new members like they use to. Unfortunately, they maybe a family cultural institution of the past. What a shame. They've done so much for the unfortunate.

Anonymous said...

Bc they are brown nosing the clueless mayor for $$$

Anonymous said...

I heard the Pt Mayor is getting a award i wonder if its the same type of award that Obama gave himself ?

Anonymous said...

yep it used to be fun but its hard for families to bring their children to the pool and be surrounded by a bunch of alcoholics

Anonymous said...

do the elks even call that place a golf course anymore. looks like a place for Syrian refugees

Anonymous said...

wood creek used to be a beautiful little course, but chris put an end to that as well as the other part of his empire - the elks, there is no coming back now. bye bye golf course and bye bye lodge. damn shame

Anonymous said...

PT1x Mayor?

Anonymous said...

the elks should have co-signed for that loan for chris, that way he could put some money into wood creek, the elks, and his chicken operation

Anonymous said...

1 term mayor.

Anonymous said...

if chris could somehow get horse bridge he will have the triple crown

Anonymous said...

maybe some more bar bingo would help, elks are always in favor of more opportunities to get trashed

Anonymous said...

I think horse bridge is in better shape than the elks course

Anonymous said...

I know this a wild ass guess, but I think that the people bitching the most are the ones who volunteer the least. In all of the civic and athletic organizations I've belonged to, those who did the least expected the most.
On top of that, Im seeing accusations of Elks employees and volunteers that seem slanderous. Unless you have proof of wrongdoing, it's slander. Look it up if you don't know what it means.

Anonymous said...

There was some questionable financial decisions in the past that were not investigated. Accountant was Lodge mgrs son but nothing was done about it. No action ever taken. It's tough to get an honest Lodge mgr for any fraternal organization.

Anonymous said...

How much does it pay?

Anonymous said...

IRS audit please.

Anonymous said...

Good ole boy network

Anonymous said...

don't worry elk members, with all those great business minds in that building, you'll have a new bar in no time flat. let the party begin!!!

Anonymous said...

The golf guy before him failed and the guy before that killed every single green on the course!!! So if the elks themselves with all these volunteers and talent couldn't run it as non-profit, how do you expect someone to be successful? You can't. As long as these old guys want Augusta National for $200/year, I'm not expecting much change. And neither should you.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps if your organization invested in the course infrastructure you'd have better conditions. Oh, wait, you couldn't run it yourselves for free. What do you expect for $200/year?

Anonymous said...

many golf courses are failing, very expensive to maintain a course and cut throat pricing to get someone in the door. a dangerous combination. very very tough times in the golf business. if you can play great hope through golf now for $10 how can a place like the elks survive

Anonymous said...

the fall of the elks golf began when nutters was built. then you throw in a recession and businesses closing up in this town and what do you get. answer - you get people who don't have the money to spend on recreation - gotta pay the rent first.

Anonymous said...

I think all these people involved with the elks demise need to stay in there lane.

Anonymous said...

Why not enlist the local horticulture program at CTE take care of the grounds during the school year for educational purposes. Sounds like they could do no worse.

Anonymous said...

Good the problem be that the elders refuse to relinquish the reins and the "everybody wants to be the Chief, no one wants to be the indian" mentality has stagnated and or set the club back? There's no good reason that that place, who anyone who s 35 and over has patronized at some point in there life, is not a state of the art, upscale functoning place

Unknown said...

Joe is correct..Salisbury is corrupt from top to bottom. Pick and choose what companies deserve a bailout. It's all in who you know. The golf course is run by incompetent fools at best. Anyone born and raised in DINGLEBURRY can't take constructive criticism. Their feelings get in the way. The most ass backwards town you can live in. Deal with it

Unknown said...

Why would anyone support it. It is run by idiots

Unknown said...

And failing for that long because it's run by idiots

Unknown said...

Absolutely

Unknown said...

Still run by idiots. You don't give idiots 1.5 million. Maybe you do. I wouldn't

Unknown said...

Lol...

Unknown said...

lol...Run by idiots. Period. Your emotions don't count..